FTB- Moving in expectations

Sicily1991

cattie wrote: »

No you can't specify you'd like the place professionally cleaned as previous poster mentions.

You can ask that any dog poo be removed from the garden, but you are at their mercy as they can't be forced to do so. You can specify that you'd like all furniture removed from the property & also ask if a purchase of the appliances you'd be happy to remain in the house would be possible.Thank you for your reply. As I said, the place is tenanted at the moment, and the tenant is not being very cooperative re house viewings etc. and does't seem to be very clean or tidy which is now worrying me about the state she may leave the place in!

There is no standard format when moving in. Some vendors are like me & leave the house pristine & leave things such as light fittings, curtains, blinds etc. But then there are others who will take all these things along with carpets, curtains & rails/poles, lightbulbs, even toilet roll holder etc & leave the place filthy. All you can do is hope & pray you hit the jackpot with the former!I would certainly hope that the light fittings and carpets were left as standard- is it normal to have to negotiate these? At which stage do I find out what the vendor plans to leave behind? and how do I negotiate this? I don't want any of the furniture (I believe it's the tenants anyway, but will ask this ASAP) but certainly want to keep the capets and light fittings as this will be an added immediate cost I may not be able to afford.

As they have dogs you need to be aware that any doggy smells will be ingrained into the carpets & other soft furnishings. So if the floorboards are in good condition, you may prefer to take the carpets up if they are left & live with those until you can afford to replace, or buy some cheap rugs to cover until you're ready.

I plan to repaint and re carpet in the shortish term but my priority would be to get some furniture first I just don't want to be cleaning doggy poop from the garden

steampowered

Your goal is to make your offer as attractive as possible. And get the lowest price possible!

Asking the vendor for a professional clean is not usual. It is aggro for the vendor.

When you are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on a house, the cost of a clean or replacing the carpets is small change. I think its better to sort that out yourself.

steampowered

Sicily1991 wrote: »

I would certainly hope that the light fittings and carpets were left as standard- is it normal to have to negotiate these?

The legal default is that "fixtures" - i.e. things which are part of the property - are part of the sale. "Fittings" are not.

I'd think most people would leave carpets and light fittings to be honest. You'd have to be a bit of a plonker to take them.

I just don't want to be cleaning doggy poop from the garden [/COLOR]

Even if this did happen - plastic gloves and kitchen roll would sort it in 10 minutes.

Sicily1991

steampowered wrote: »

Your goal is to make your offer as attractive as possible. And get the lowest price possible!

Asking the vendor for a professional clean is not usual. It is aggro for the vendor.agreed. I definitely rescind this idea altogether. I guess it just shows my inexperience.

When you are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on a house, the cost of a clean or replacing the carpets is small change. I think its better to sort that out yourself.

Thank you for this, yes I agree that you're right about this I just had no idea about what to expect but surely moving into a house with a garden covered in dog faeces and dog hair everywhere offers me a little leverage in negotiating the price? I have a bunch of friends who will be happy to help me with the move overall anyway.

Ms_Chocaholic

Is there another property that you might be interested in? This current one sounds like a whole load of work and stress after you have potentially spent ££ on surveys etc and the tenant doesn't leave/trashes the place so you don't proceed in the end.

Sicily1991

Ms_Chocaholic wrote: »

Is there another property that you might be interested in? This current one sounds like a whole load of work and stress after you have potentially spent ££ on surveys etc and the tenant doesn't leave/trashes the place so you don't proceed in the end.

I've looked at so many properties and this is the one that feels right for me in terms of location, size, price and house characteristics. Would you say it's a big risk to go forward with this sale as it's currently tenanted with a difficult tenant? That's the only real fear I have. I'm not put off by a big clean etc. but a damaged wall or anything like that would put me off

steampowered

Sicily1991 wrote: »

Thank you for this, yes I agree that you're right about this I just had no idea about what to expect but surely moving into a house with a garden covered in dog faeces and dog hair everywhere offers me a little leverage in negotiating the price? I have a bunch of friends who will be happy to help me with the move overall anyway.

I think with every property there is always a risk that the condition is worse than expected.

Hopefully, the condition the property was in when you viewed it would give a good indication of what you'll get at the end.

It is unlikely that a tenant would deliberately trash the property at the end of the tenancy - most tenants try to leave the property in a decent state to get their deposit back.

When you are ready to exchange and the property is vacant, you could ask for a quick look round the property before exchanging, just to check there is nothing serious.

davidmcn

Sicily1991 wrote: »

surely moving into a house with a garden covered in dog faeces and dog hair everywhere offers me a little leverage in negotiating the price?

No, the market value of a property is not going to be affected by you having to do a bit of hoovering and picking up some dog poo.

oystercatcher

Sicily1991 wrote: »

Thank you for this, yes I agree that you're right about this I just had no idea about what to expect but surely moving into a house with a garden covered in dog faeces and dog hair everywhere offers me a little leverage in negotiating the price? I have a bunch of friends who will be happy to help me with the move overall anyway.

What is the market like in your area ?
If properties are selling well and someone else is interested, moaning about dog poo isn't going to get your offer accepted over someone else's.
Offer what you think the property is worth , then if it is accepted have a good look around after the tenants have moved out and see what the state is then.
That being said when I bought this place , 20 years ago, it was an ex rental in a state and one of my conditions of purchase was that all rubbish was removed and all carpets taken up. I then got permission to go in with cleaning equipment a couple of days before completion to sort the worst of the grime. I paid over asking price due to a bidding war in a very fast market, but ,no regrets , the area was the one I wanted and we are still here 20 years later.

babyblade41

I get surprised each time I log in here sometimes .

Firstly I wouldn't be offering on a property with a tenant ... it could take months for them to vacate especially if they are already being difficult about viewing, which they have every reason to as I doubt they have been given notice to leave as yet

So if this progresses to exchange or just before.. you can go round and check for poo and odours..and possibly re-negotiate the price.

I think in that scenario the vendor would tell you to foxtrot Oscar .. well I would.

You need to be more worried about the toilet seat:-D