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National Parking Enforcement Ltd. "Driver Failed to Correctly Register Vehicle"

edited 17 May 2019 at 11:57AM in Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking
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L.P.GibsonL.P.Gibson Forumite
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edited 17 May 2019 at 11:57AM in Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking
The driver and passenger, both “retirees”, parked in a car park, which they believed was the parking facility attached to the attraction they were visiting (however it is independent). The attractions in the immediate vicinity are of the type that might draw a greater proportion of senior people.



Given the parking restrictions in the area there was no other parking opportunity in the area. They noticed a ticket machine and bought a ticket for one hour’s parking. Both driver and passenger were at the ticket machine when this purchase was made. After inserting the money (£1 for 1 hour parking) and pressing the “green button”, a request appeared to enter the vehicle’s registration number. This was done by the passenger and observed by the driver. A ticket printed out and was placed on top of the car’s facia in a prominent position.



The registered keeper has received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN), from National Parking Enforcement Ltd., for £100 (£60 if paid within 14 days of the notice). The reason for issue: “Driver Failed To Correctly Register Vehicle or Pay For Parking”. The PCN has details of the vehicle obtained from DVLA and two images of the car entering and leaving the car park, evidencing that the car was in the car park for 32mins and 21secs. The ticket that was issued has been retained. The information on this does not align with the ticket’s format text. The parking valid parking period is detailed but under the heading “DATE”. It has no date, no company details, does not indicate the location. It seems to have some type of identification code at the bottom. It does not have the vehicle registration, although where this might have been (in comparison with a local authority issued ticket) there are the digits 00. More digits were definitely entered so it appears that the machine may have determined a mismatch between the information keyed in with the APNR data obtained when the car entered the car park. No indication was given that there was a mismatch or, indeed, that the machine was operating correctly.



The car park in question is some distance from the home of the car’s occupants, they have been unable to return to the location to check signage etc. and particularly the process through which they were sold a parking ticket which was invalid. Having read through a good proportion of the information in this forum the “victims” feel that they do not have the momentum to pursue an appeal (particularly as the forum evidences that this process is controlled by and biased in favour of the CPC (and illustrates “regulatory capture”). and do not wish to proceed to a situation where they have to defend themselves in a court. They, therefore, feel compromised to submit to this disproportionate and unreasonable demand for an amount of money which is “significant” to people in their station in life.


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  • Half_wayHalf_way Forumite
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    eek!hugewalloftextmakesyouropeningposthaardtoreadanychanceofbreakingitupintoparagraphs?

    on a secondary note, to the best of your knowledge, was the number inputted into the machine?

    she's the number plate contain the number Zero, one, and or the letters L and or I ?
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  • edited 17 May 2019 at 11:51AM
    L.P.GibsonL.P.Gibson Forumite
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    edited 17 May 2019 at 11:51AM
    Thanks for your advice re: format. Both people involved say they remember the number being entered and were not aware of any error. Do you mean "Does the number plate ......"?. It has no digits 0 or1 or letters L or I.
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    These are also common characters for misreading.

    Does the copy of the ticket include the vehicle registration? If yes, is it correct?

    The technology is obviously there to validate vehicle registrations at the time of paying for parking - a car park not far from me used to be setup this way. (Pay for time parked by entering your reg into the machine and it told you how long you' been there and how much to pay). PPCs deliberately avoid using it so that they can catch people out.
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    edited 17 May 2019 at 12:09PM
    What happened when the keeper complained to the landowner of the car park?

    Has the keeper complained to their MP yet about this unregulated scam?

    Have warnings been sent via social media and the local press that there are defective machines on site that do not record the correct VRN?

    It is easy to touch the key next to the one you actually want without realising it. I have also seen a touchscreen at Southmead Hospital where my sleeve caused other letters to appear as my coat passed over it but without touching. This is linked to an ANPR system and tells you if the VRN typed in is not the same as any vehicle in the car park. The technology exists, but again as above, the scammers won't use it because they are scammers.
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    The ticket that was issued has been retained. The information on this does not align with the ticket’s format text.

    The parking valid parking period is detailed but under the heading “DATE”. It has no date, no company details, does not indicate the location. It seems to have some type of identification code at the bottom.

    It does not have the vehicle registration, although where this might have been (in comparison with a local authority issued ticket) there are the digits 00.
    Take a photocopy of the ticket and send it with an appeal to NPE, with cc 'name of their MP' along the top, so NPE can see an MP is involved.

    And send the same to their MP and ask if they will please write to NPE and try to force a climbdown, as this was machine failure. Also alert the MP to the fact this NPE also went by the name Norfolk Parking Enforcement (ex clampers) and is notorious, so this is no innocent mistake or easy to appeal customer service type company!

    Show the MP this stuff so they know who NPE are (now using the name 'National'):

    https://norwich.greenparty.org.uk/news/2018/03/02/letter-to-minister-about-rogue-parking-companies/

    https://norwich.greenparty.org.uk/news/2017/04/15/earlham-house-shops-threatened-by-parking-charges/

    That's probably not the same car park, but this illustrates what local Councillors think about NPE and it's important the MP sees this in context.

    Send a copy to the management of the attractions as well, strongly worded.

    Finally, as your parents are seniors, and might just fold & pay when the appeal is rejected and debt letters arrive, why not do what I would do, and when appealing in their name, tell NPE that they have changed their address for service to (your address) and ask for their right to have their old address erased under GDPR rules.

    Then YOU will get all the threatograms and it affects neither them nor you.
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    I would echo the above but I would remove the address for service just say *changed address*
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    OP, have you based your forum username on your real name?

    If so, you would be wise to get your forum username changed to something very much more anonymous.

    To help with that, you might like to read this short extract from The MSE Forum Guide - Frequently Asked Questions & Rules:
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  • L.P.GibsonL.P.Gibson Forumite
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    Thanks, but this is not my real name.
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    L.P.GibsonL.P.Gibson Forumite
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    edited 18 May 2019 at 9:15AM
    What happened when the keeper complained to the landowner of the car park?

    Has the keeper complained to their MP yet about this unregulated scam?
    So far identifying the landowner has not been successful. The MP of the constituency in which the two individuals live has been emailed.
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    L.P.Gibson wrote: »
    So far identifying the landowner has not been successful.

    Try phoning the local council covering the car park location and ask which organisation pays the non domestic rates on the car park.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask.
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