Italian Speeding ticket

Car_54

Preet22 wrote: »

They will transfer fine to UK debt collection company

Welcome to the forum. Are you aware that the OP asked his question many months ago?

siddudiddu

Please help.
I’ve received a fine for speeding in Pisa. We contested the fine by appealing. I won’t go into the detail but sick 1 year old, vomiting and diarrhoea. By appealing we missed the 5 day window (134Euros), we sent the appeal by recorded delivery and it was received by the authorities within 30 days (€198) and we were notified that it was admissible 150 days, exceeding the 60 day timeframe to pay (€360).

We’ve been told that the appeal was admissible as the appeal letter was not signed. There is absolutely no guidance that the appeal needed to be signed with the appeal information section of the original notice, or within the entire notice. I contested this and was told that it is expected that all appeals are signed with other information about the offence, e..g. notice number, vehicle reg, etc.

I am arguing that we are being asked to pay €230 more than the original ticket (which we believe may well have been appealed successfully if it was reviewed!) because the issuing authority wasn’t clear that a signature needed to be present in the appeal and that it took 155 days to get back to us which certainly is not our fault. I’m told my options are now to pay the fine or appeal to a higher body which needs representation in person, in Pisa! I live in London!

I feel that this is extremely unfair as we have followed the process to a word and we’re being penalised based on poor instruction and administrative delays. We certainly want to return to Italy but feel that we’re being treated incredibly harshly and want this resolved as cheaply as possible.
 Please, please if you have any advice help! Many thanks

kmb500

iainscomputer said:

mark1959 wrote: »

I received a speeding fine from Italy almost 2 years ago, about 300 euros for about 15km/hr over the limit. I "filed" it and have not heard anything since, [cue knock on the door]

Hi, I received the 1st letter about 10 months after & I've just received a 2nd letter which had to be signed for, the postage on this letter was €8.25!
All I'm bothered about is if it could be escalated to the authorities in the UK to be enforced, it was such a tiny amount over the limit, I think they are basically being like the !!!!!!
This wouldn't even be bothered about here & in other countries.
Thanks

Yes it would be bothered about if it was a UK speeding offence... you are delusional man.

AdrianC

siddudiddu said:

I’ve received a fine for speeding in Pisa. We contested the fine by appealing. I won’t go into the detail but sick 1 year old, vomiting and diarrhoea.

Basically admitting to driving without due care and attention is hardly a great defence for speeding... I presume there is photographic evidence that you were indeed exceeding the speed liimit...?

It certainly wouldn't wash as a defence in the UK.

By appealing we missed the 5 day window (134Euros), we sent the appeal by recorded delivery and it was received by the authorities within 30 days (€198) and we were notified that it was admissible 150 days, exceeding the 60 day timeframe to pay (€360).

We’ve been told that the appeal was admissible as the appeal letter was not signed.

I assume you mean INadmissible...

There is absolutely no guidance that the appeal needed to be signed with the appeal information section of the original notice, or within the entire notice. I contested this and was told that it is expected that all appeals are signed with other information about the offence, e..g. notice number, vehicle reg, etc.

Hardly unreasonable. I'm surprised you didn't sign it - why on earth not? I mean, you sent it on paper by post...

I am arguing that we are being asked to pay €230 more than the original ticket (which we believe may well have been appealed successfully if it was reviewed!) because the issuing authority wasn’t clear that a signature needed to be present in the appeal and that it took 155 days to get back to us which certainly is not our fault. I’m told my options are now to pay the fine or appeal to a higher body which needs representation in person, in Pisa! I live in London!

I feel that this is extremely unfair as we have followed the process to a word and we’re being penalised based on poor instruction and administrative delays. We certainly want to return to Italy but feel that we’re being treated incredibly harshly and want this resolved as cheaply as possible.

You really want to be asking on an Italian forum, because this is about Italian law and procedures - which are typically far more bureaucratic than in the UK. There are several English-language ones, aimed at those who have emigrated there.
https://www.expatexchange.com/italy/liveinitaly.html
https://britishexpats.com/forum/italy-77/
are just the first two that a two-second google finds.

As a general rule of thumb, and applying internationally, the easiest and cheapest solution is always to simply pay at the first opportunity, especially when you are bang-to-rights like this. Thereafter, it's damage limitation, and the more you drag it out, the higher the penalty will end up.

shaun_from_Africa

kmb500 said:

iainscomputer said:

This wouldn't even be bothered about here & in other countries.
Thanks

Yes it would be bothered about if it was a UK speeding offence... you are delusional man.

Why are you bothering to respond to a comment that was made over 1 year ago?

AdrianC

shaun_from_Africa said:

kmb500 said:

iainscomputer said:

This wouldn't even be bothered about here & in other countries.
Thanks

Yes it would be bothered about if it was a UK speeding offence... you are delusional man.

Why are you bothering to respond to a comment that was made over 1 year ago?

The thread's been resurrected by @siddudiddu's unrelated situation, and it's easy to not notice posting dates. Especially when the post in question was 19th May, and today is 27th May... Just different years.