At fault for accident?

Car_54

zagfles wrote: »

I'd be indicating well before pulling out, so a car behind me in lane 3 wouldn't be pulling into lane 2 when a car in lane 1 is indicating right. If they were level I'd see them in my peripheral vision.

Are you serious? Do you still believe in Santa Claus too?;)

Anyway, indicating too soon is dangerous. Other drivers may well think you've simply failed to cancel and choose to ignore the intended signal.

Car_54

zagfles wrote: »

on a motorway I don't expect any motorbike would be stupid enough to be a few inches from my rear on white lines rather than in a lane!

Your trust in your fellow road-users is commendable, but misplaced. People do idiotic things day in, day out.

a.turner

Car_54 wrote: »

1. You don't need to be old, it's still taught that way.

2. When is it not necessary?

When it's of no benefit to do so.






Think driving a vehicle with no rear windows.

zagfles

Car_54 wrote: »

Are you serious? Do you still believe in Santa Claus too?;)

Anyway, indicating too soon is dangerous. Other drivers may well think you've simply failed to cancel and choose to ignore the intended signal.

I don't "indicate too soon". I indicate shortly before my intended manoeuvre. Maybe Santa Claus has kept me accident free for the last 35 years?

zagfles

Car_54 wrote: »

Your trust in your fellow road-users is commendable, but misplaced. People do idiotic things day in, day out.

Well obviously. There's no way you could avoid an accident if some idiot does something really stupid, like slamming on their brakes/cutting in on you while you're looking the wrong way doing your "shoulder check".

I know what is more risky. And it's having a massive car sized blind spot so you constantly need to look backwards while driving 70mph forwards.

BananaRepublic

I think you have a number of ways out. Firstly the other party might admit fault. It does happen. Secondly if you have a dashcam video, but evidently not in this case. Or you can argue the case convincingly that the road layout is such that the other driver must have been in the wrong. Not meaning to be rude, but I’m not sure that last one is your forte.

It does look like he tried to undertake you, and misjudged, maybe you exited later than expected, maybe you did not signal left. But proving that ...

By the way, don’t think just because most people say you’re out of luck you can’t win. Most said I was at fault when I was hit, but the other party conceded.

NBLondon

Car_54 wrote: »

2. When is it not necessary?

I was going to say when reversing into a car park space with no adjoining vehicles, you can do it by lining up and going straight back using only the rear view mirror but a.turner is right too..

M'wifes car has reversing sensors but I consider that an aid not a replacement.

zagfles wrote: »

Depends on the angle, some slip roads are pretty similar to changing lane so I just use mirrors, I only need to shoulder check (or look right) on slip roads that come in at a bit of an angle.

True - if the angle is shallow enough, the door mirror view works. Depending on the layout - e.g. a cloverleaf you can actually spot the gaps through the side window as you approach. I think I do the shoulder check out of habit anyway and/or learnt from my father who did do it when changing lanes... because he'd been on two wheels for 12 years previously.

NBLondon

zagfles wrote: »

I'd be indicating well before pulling out, so a car behind me in lane 3 wouldn't be pulling into lane 2 when a car in lane 1 is indicating right. If they were level I'd see them in my peripheral vision.

It's shouldn't not wouldn't But I agree that turning your head at that point carries another risk viz. the vehicle you're about to pass doing something stupid at that second. Which is why you do it early and the idiots do it at the last second.

zagfles wrote: »

I don't expect any motorbike would be stupid enough to be a few inches from my rear on white lines rather than in a lane!

Depends on where you're driving and the biker... On Bank Holiday Monday I drove up the A21 from the South Coast when lots of bikers were heading home. Most were perfectly sensible about when to filter past the rest of the traffic - a few were hovering in the blind spot. However, around London urban/suburban there are plenty of two-wheelers who do like to hang in that spot and spurt out whenever they think they see a gap. I'm deliberately not saying bikers now because this group are dominated by scooters and the like with or without pizza on board...

zagfles

NBLondon wrote: »

Depends on where you're driving and the biker... On Bank Holiday Monday I drove up the A21 from the South Coast when lots of bikers were heading home. Most were perfectly sensible about when to filter past the rest of the traffic - a few were hovering in the blind spot. However, around London urban/suburban there are plenty of two-wheelers who do like to hang in that spot and spurt out whenever they think they see a gap. I'm deliberately not saying bikers now because this group are dominated by scooters and the like with or without pizza on board...

Yes I'm always wary in urban areas but I can check the small blind stop easily enough by just moving my head a few inches to the right, which I'll do if I'm pulling out/overtaking in slow/heavy traffic.

unholyangel

NBLondon wrote: »

I was going to say when reversing into a car park space with no adjoining vehicles, you can do it by lining up and going straight back using only the rear view mirror but a.turner is right too..

M'wifes car has reversing sensors but I consider that an aid not a replacement.
True - if the angle is shallow enough, the door mirror view works. Depending on the layout - e.g. a cloverleaf you can actually spot the gaps through the side window as you approach. I think I do the shoulder check out of habit anyway and/or learnt from my father who did do it when changing lanes... because he'd been on two wheels for 12 years previously.

You have to wonder how cars have all these modern additions - heated seats & windscreens, parking sensors, parking assist, collision detection, power steering, sat navs, entertainment systems.....but some people still can't work a indicator!