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POPLA appeal letter - staff member - hospital car park

Tugay44
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Hello.
I'm a doctor at an NHS hospital. I have a staff permit which I pay £40 a month for the car-park, however the parking for staff has become worse and worse since I have worked there. Closing large sections of it, whilst demand increases. I got 2 parking notices on my window for "not parking within permitted bays" and in one also "blocking other vehicles". In neither was I blocking other vehicles and I have photos to prove it. In both I indeed was not parked within any bays, due to the lack of capacity mentioned above.
Car is registered under my partners name and she received the PCNs in the post, which i appealed using her name and the templates, got my rejections and my POPLA codes.
Now I just wanted to check what I should be submitting in my appeal letter.
So far I was just going to copy and paste the 5 templates from Coupon Mad.
Is there anything else I should or shouldn't be doing?
The firm is CPP - Car Parking Partnership.
Thanks for any help.
I'm a doctor at an NHS hospital. I have a staff permit which I pay £40 a month for the car-park, however the parking for staff has become worse and worse since I have worked there. Closing large sections of it, whilst demand increases. I got 2 parking notices on my window for "not parking within permitted bays" and in one also "blocking other vehicles". In neither was I blocking other vehicles and I have photos to prove it. In both I indeed was not parked within any bays, due to the lack of capacity mentioned above.
Car is registered under my partners name and she received the PCNs in the post, which i appealed using her name and the templates, got my rejections and my POPLA codes.
Now I just wanted to check what I should be submitting in my appeal letter.
So far I was just going to copy and paste the 5 templates from Coupon Mad.
Is there anything else I should or shouldn't be doing?
The firm is CPP - Car Parking Partnership.
Thanks for any help.
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a complaint should be made to the trust as well, to get them involved and get the pcn,s cancelled
see these NHS principles
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles
yes start drafting popla appeal (s)
bear in mind that the person receiving the letTers is the one who is legally involved and should be doing all of this , so if that is not you get it all done under the keepers name (EVEN IF YOU ARE DOING THE DONKEY WORK), as it is the keeper who could end up in court if the popla appeals fail (if this is in england and wales, not scotland or N.I.)
it may help if you name the hospital or the trust , seeing as you named CPP as the PPC0 -
Thanks
Yes I'm not naming myself as keeper. All in my wife's name.
It's princess Alexandra hospital in Harlow.
Can I include the the NHS parking principles in my appeal?
Also I'm the one with parking permit, I'm the staff member. Can I still mention all this (ie things relating to having a permit) if I'm appealing in wife's name? As long as I just cite the detail and don't ever mention who is the staff member/ driver?0 -
check if CPP met POFA 2012 , IF thery failed then the keeper has no liability in which case its not worth outing the drivers permit etc, but the keeper can cite the fact that the driver has a valid paid for permit which was on show (if it was etc)
the point about the principles was that the permit holder should be complaining (not appealing) to the trust who issued the permit and so who the contract to park is with (the paid for parking contract with the trust is a separate issue) and this should have been done right at the start , quoting those NHS principles which have been in force for several years
you do realise that paying for a permit means you have a legal contract with them , you pay your money and in return you expect to be able to park in a bay , same as if I pay for a pint of beer in a pub I expect a pint of beer in return , not some mish mash excuse of a reply saying they only have a few glasses so cannot fulfil the contract because they are all out on the tables being used so we will keep your money and not honour our part of the deal
ideally this need quashing BEFORE any popla appeal, but do not miss the deadline for the popla appeal which is about 32 days max
if CPP have complied with POFA then the keeper should have named the driver and the driver appeals with all the ammunition including the NHS principles , but in your quest to help your partner you have not separated out the issues and so have not dealt with them within their own context (its 2 separate contracts)
a KEEPER popla appeal is based on the following principles
POFA2012 non compliance
no landowner authority
poor and inadequate signage
BPA CoP failures etc
ie: - legal arguments0 -
Thanks.
So I should just paste the 4 templates you mentioned.
I need to appeal this weekend so unfortunately can't take pics of their poor signage to attach as evidence.
Should I just appeal with the template. Then add photos at later date in reply to any comments they make?0 -
yes you can use the templates , but any evidence has to go in with the appeal, not later , so photos would be embedded within your saved pdf
you cannot supply any further evidence including photos after the appeal
you get 2000 characters to rebut their evidence pack , no additions , no attachments , no photos , nothing other than 2000 characters
when this popla appeal is submitted , choose OTHER and attach the popla appeal as a pdf to the bin icon and ensure it has uploaded
do not fill in any boxes or options , and if necessary put POPLA APPEAL ATTACHED only
so save the appeal as a pdf and upload it choosing OTHER, ignore the rest0 -
The firm is CPP - Car Parking Partnership.
As you pay the Trust for a permit to park you need to check the T&Cs but it's abundantly clear that the contract for parking is with the Trust & that PE t/as CPP can offer nothing so cannot enforce any other contract on the driver.
If PE have satisfied the requirements of POFA 2012 to hold the RK responsible for parking charges incurred by the driver then your best defence is that the driver had a pre-existing contract to park with the Trust so you will have to be named in the appeal.
However if PE have not satisfied the requirements of POFA 2012 to hold the RK responsible for parking charges incurred by the driver then the easiest appeal point for POPLA is this non-compliance.0 -
Thanks
Yes I'm not naming myself as keeper. All in my wife's name.
It's princess Alexandra hospital in Harlow.
Can I include the the NHS parking principles in my appeal?
Also I'm the one with parking permit, I'm the staff member. Can I still mention all this (ie things relating to having a permit) if I'm appealing in wife's name? As long as I just cite the detail and don't ever mention who is the staff member/ driver?
Is there no scope for you to complain to the Facilities Manager at your work to cancel it?
Needs doing BEFORE you even think about POPLA and it's the most tried & tested, easy and likely successful way to get a private PCN cancelled.PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD0 -
I'm already at the Popla stage. Appeal to CPP was rejected.If PE have satisfied the requirements of POFA 2012 to hold the RK responsible for parking charges incurred by the driver then your best defence is that the driver had a pre-existing contract to park with the Trust so you will have to be named in the appeal.
However if PE have not satisfied the requirements of POFA 2012 to hold the RK responsible for parking charges incurred by the driver then the easiest appeal point for POPLA is this non-compliance.
How do I determine this?0 -
I'm already at the Popla stage. Appeal to CPP was rejected.How do I determine this?
There is a link to Schedule 4 of POFA in post #1 of the NEWBIES thread, or Google will find it easily.0 -
Well they mention POFA 8(2)b and f. I can't really see how they would have not complied with it tbh0
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