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Me, personally, a person whom has never designed a wordpress site, but has designed two commercial websites, one being a reconstructed clone from the wayback machine which the owners wife had also butchered by using word - Hey I'm not in the web building business is what I am saying.

So you have a workable site, if not the best site ripper i used 10 years ago was blackwidow, Teleport Pro worked well too, httptrack was a poor third, but did work somewhat (tried most if not all at that time)

This is what I would do - go for the top private and public ones (http://www.eduuk.in) - i have googled the top uk schools, and of the 26 entries many do not apparently use wordpress, so the wordpress theme detector says, however...
Withington Girls' School (Manchester) uses Vanilla Storm ('After ten years, Vanilla Storm has now closed its doors for the final time' - but you may know how to find it )
Queen Elizabeth's School (Hertfordshire) uses oneltd-base - custom theme
*Westminster School (Westminster) uses https://wpastra.com/about/ the Astra theme - GNU General Public License v2 or later
*King Edward's School, Birmingham (Birmingham) uses https://codewrangler.io/ Cordon GNU General Public License v2 or later
https://www.wpthemedetector.com/

70 hours to get this done, better be a good hourly rate! Otherwise tell they guys they should try themselves and see if they can get it done in this time. The words 'on the cheap' come to mind. The other method is to outsource it to a poorer economic region. Suppose if you ate and breathed wp and had all the items on hand, no reoccurring meetings with them, then it is feasible but would on much more p/h for this skill.

I built a responsive web page for a local curry house, took me a week to do (off ill and bored). He really wanted it, offered me one curry for it (would have taken a free curry a month and thrown in free price and menu changes), after declining his offer, two months later his original site was still up, still with another companies misspell menu, that had the wrong items and prices, and 6 months later they shut down trading

50Twuncle

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Me, personally, a person whom has never designed a wordpress site, but has designed two commercial websites, one being a reconstructed clone from the wayback machine which the owners wife had also butchered by using word - Hey I'm not in the web building business is what I am saying.

So you have a workable site, if not the best site ripper i used 10 years ago was blackwidow, Teleport Pro worked well too, httptrack was a poor third, but did work somewhat (tried most if not all at that time)

This is what I would do - go for the top private and public ones (http://www.eduuk.in) - i have googled the top uk schools, and of the 26 entries many do not apparently use wordpress, so the wordpress theme detector says, however...
Withington Girls' School (Manchester) uses Vanilla Storm ('After ten years, Vanilla Storm has now closed its doors for the final time' - but you may know how to find it )
Queen Elizabeth's School (Hertfordshire) uses oneltd-base - custom theme
*Westminster School (Westminster) uses https://wpastra.com/about/ the Astra theme - GNU General Public License v2 or later
*King Edward's School, Birmingham (Birmingham) uses https://codewrangler.io/ Cordon GNU General Public License v2 or later
https://www.wpthemedetector.com/

70 hours to get this done, better be a good hourly rate! Otherwise tell they guys they should try themselves and see if they can get it done in this time. The words 'on the cheap' come to mind. The other method is to outsource it to a poorer economic region. Suppose if you ate and breathed wp and had all the items on hand, no reoccurring meetings with them, then it is feasible but would on much more p/h for this skill.

I built a responsive web page for a local curry house, took me a week to do (off ill and bored). He really wanted it, offered me one curry for it (would have taken a free curry a month and thrown in free price and menu changes), after declining his offer, two months later his original site was still up, still with another companies misspell menu, that had the wrong items and prices, and 6 months later they shut down trading

Thank you for confirming that I am being used
The option was paying around £5k for a professional website to be built
Salary - little more than minimum wage (so total cost would have been less than £1k)

They expected me to learn wordpress (I last was involved in website design back in Frontpage 98 days - which was a simple task - just composed of a load of links) and build a large website in 10 weeks total (7 weeks from now) - and told me NOT to do any work in my own time - so I will give them the bad news on Tuesday
I am using Radcliffe2 as the theme - nice and simple and clean - however that is not the problem - any theme will be simple to install - the menu is the main problem - it contains too many items and they want to keep them all

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wordpress I believe uses 'responsive pages'. This type of page came from Twitter world - 'Bootstrap' responsive grid system (the framework i used), and are a standard way of doing things. They heavily use CSS classes and some java.

https://getbootstrap.com/

https://www.upwork.com/hiring/development/bootstrap-vs-foundation-which-framework-is-right-for-you/

also but bootstrap into youtube to get more info. It is worth while knowing, but you end up designing at least 2 pages (one for narrow mobile screens, and another for normal screens, and possibly more for other screen sizes?)

Wordpress is a good skill, but for me I would have to keep my hand in to be mediocre. In a situation like yours - a one site static shop, you will probably only look at it when it goes faulty, and then are expected to be the expert.

In my first case - the restoration from wayback machine, the business wanted rapid support and maintenance including price changes, additional items, updated photos and editing there of, and facebook administration for a fish and chip meal. This site took me over a month to reconstruct working about 18 hour a day on it 7 days a week. Did not mind doing it for free while I was ill and on drugs, but too later have someone on your back after a days work wanting his stuff done for chips, had to say NO!

50Twuncle

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wordpress I believe uses 'responsive pages'. This type of page came from Twitter world - 'Bootstrap' responsive grid system (the framework i used), and are a standard way of doing things. They heavily use CSS classes and some java.

https://getbootstrap.com/

https://www.upwork.com/hiring/development/bootstrap-vs-foundation-which-framework-is-right-for-you/

also but bootstrap into youtube to get more info. It is worth while knowing, but you end up designing at least 2 pages (one for narrow mobile screens, and another for normal screens, and possibly more for other screen sizes?)

Wordpress is a good skill, but for me I would have to keep my hand in to be mediocre. In a situation like yours - a one site static shop, you will probably only look at it when it goes faulty, and then are expected to be the expert.

I am trying to stick to WYSIWYG rather than CSS - But have had to resort to the latter on some complex graphic edits - but those were relatively simple to implement (mainly home / landing page stuff)

The site will remain largely fixed but with regular updates for school events etc - with such things as exam results and vacancies being changed as and when - but they are simple updates to be left to admin
The menu will probably remain unchanged for years - but that is where the problem is still - the complexity and time taken to compose it
So far - after getting my head around how the menu system works - It has taken me 2 weeks to get 80 items in to the menu and the more that get added - the longer the menu list and the slower it reacts - and the easier it is to make a mistake

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50Twuncle wrote: »

I am trying to stick to WYSIWYG rather than CSS - But have had to resort to the latter on some complex graphic edits - but those were relatively simple to implement (mainly home / landing page stuff)

The site will remain largely fixed but with regular updates for school events etc - with such things as exam results and vacancies being changed as and when - but they are simple updates to be left to admin

the problem is with mobiles and non standard screen widths, and how things unpredictably wrap making it look shabby and disjointed, giving the wrong company perception. Many people surf on their mobiles

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the problem is with mobiles and non standard screen widths, and how things unpredictably wrap making it look shabby and disjointed, giving the wrong company perception. Many people surf on their mobiles

Most WP themes do work automatically converting for different sized screens - there is a button on the design page showing what the site will look like on a mobile/tablet/PC screen


Oh yes - thats another problem - the school governors cannot even decide which THEME they want yet !!
They may let me know before the end of term - but require a finished website, 2 weeks previous to the end of term !!
You think I am joking ?

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Oh yes - thats another problem - the school governors cannot even decide which THEME they want yet !!
They may let me know before the end of term - but require a finished website, 2 weeks previous to the end of term !!
You think I am joking ?

Simples https://kes.org.uk/ use Codon. If you are happy with it download it here https://wordpress.org/themes/codon/ and start developing. The governors probably do not remember what the finished item looks like either, as it is a skinable theme. alternatively the "Westminster School" one:- choose the easiest theme for you to use. Once built it is too late for them to complain, but it has to look good

If they want extras then in will cost more, or the template does not easily allow it, but they are welcome to have a go on their own

50Twuncle

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Simples https://kes.org.uk/ use Codon. If you are happy with it download it here https://wordpress.org/themes/codon/ and start developing. The governors probably do not remember what the finished item looks like either, as it is a skinable theme. alternatively the "Westminster School" one:- choose the easiest theme for you to use. Once built it is too late for them to complain, but it has to look good

If they want extras then in will cost more, or the template does not easily allow it, but they are welcome to have a go on their own

Sorry - the school will not use a theme that is no longer offering security updates (not that this particular one is risky) but I need a current one - anyway the Theme is not the problem

The menu is - I am proceeding as requested and getting tied up in knots over its length (in WP - as you no doubt are aware - the menu is presented/stored as a never ending column with levels set by moving the individual items in) so that is what I am going to have to do - just keep at it (10 hours per week) and come the end of term - I will just say "I warned you.... here are all of my warning emails)
I do like https://www.westminster.org.uk/wgs/ though

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so you are hosting in on an isp, rather than in house. The site handles no CC or other financial or personal data or student information. No one saves work to the side, it is just a look-up page site? Tell me again why security is an issue? Are you worried the someone may hack in and tamper with the enrolment date?

So you are looking for a free site template, that offers support and updates? Remember to negotiate support contract with the template providers for a minimum specific period of years, because if they stop support, you may have to build a new site ever year or so.

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so you are hosting in on an isp, rather than in house. The site handles no CC or other financial or personal data or student information. No one saves work to the side, it is just a look-up page site? Tell me again why security is an issue? Are you worried the someone may hack in and tamper with the enrolment date?

So you are looking for a free site template, that offers support and updates? Remember to negotiate support contract with the template providers for a minimum specific period of years, because if they stop support, you may have to build a new site ever year or so.

No - the hosting will be with WP.com - at the moment, it is with a rip off company who supply the whole caboodle in a package - we are changing ISP - so will lose this..
As for the security question - I do agree with you that the likelihood of any problems is remote - but the school directors will simply go by the normal rules and will want the best protection possible
The site itself carries no financial data - but links from/to the site do - catering payments etc

I mean - we are not allowed to use Libre Office because it is not MS Office - and the free licence does not extend to networked use !!
Thunderbird is another better option - but again - we are not allowed to "default" to it !!
I have a template/theme that I like (do the director though ? unknown for a few weeks yet)
The current problem being the menu - it is getting out of hand and is still only 1/4 of its final size
I can change themes at will though - the menu remains