private company operating in residence

Darkside007

Notting hill wants CPM UK Car Park Management to operate in our area without letting residences know about it. they giving us one permit per house most houses have 2 or 3 cars per house.

Like me most residence unhappy about it I made petition more then 30 houses and flats signed it which I will post below.

2/03/2019





Recently we (the residence of Wooldridge Close, TW14 8BY) have received a letter regarding possessing a parking permit that is operated by a private UK Car Park management LTD in order to park near the premises.



The vast majority of the residences are concerned and angry with this change furthermore, no residences were informed of such changes that was taking place in (road name). To my awareness the tenancy agreement states that changes will occur once the residents and the trust has mutually agreed prior to assigning such a change.



For your information each household within(road name) holds several vehicles per household due to the outsizes families living within the same premises.

Therefore, as the residences of (road name) we strongly disagree with the UK Car Park management operating in this area and request the removal of this uninformed rule from this area with immediate effect.

We hope to hear a positive response in the near future.

Yours sincerely,

their reply

Thank you for your email regarding the parking enforcement at (road name ).

I have acknowledged your petition and I am currently in discussion with CPM and the managers of the estate.

Currently there is no parking enforcement on the estate till further notice and once I receive any update regarding this issue I will inform all residents.


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What Notting Hill trying to take easy option for them but make our lives hell because every weekends we got families come to visit us there is not spaces to park somewhere else.

Solution would be there is land which used to be road but they blocked now nobody can use it they can build car park spaces 30 cars can fit in there so people can live in peace.

I am going to this meeting any help or advice would be great I am also writing to my local MP to put more pressure on them so CPM doesn’t operate in our area.

rachity

I wouldn't want them on my doorstep.


https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.uk-carparkmanagement.co.uk

Darkside007

https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+car+park+management+reviews&oq=UK+Car+Park+Management+re&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l4j69i64.8893j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#lrd=0x4875850ae8faa641:0xb7666255b364f340,1,,,

NeilCr

Hang on a minute. Notting Hill are having a consultation meeting with residents to discuss the planned enforcement. I assume you are all going to attend and be constructive.

The issue has been raised by the Fire Department so it's not unreasonable for Notting Hill to want to be taking some action about the improperly parked cars. Hopefully, they'll look to find a way forward without introducing a PPC. Perhaps you can all voluntarily agree not to park in a way that would impede an emergency vehicle. And get your friends and families to do the same. You can do that while seeing if they will open up the additional space,. They could paint yellow lines and put up no parking signs to delineate the area of concern so people know where not to park - without the PPC bit.

I am afraid that this is quite a common problem. Estate parking isn't always adequate for the modern day multi car family and, while I sympathise with you, sometimes compromises have to be made. It may well be that the 30 extra spaces will soon be inadequate.

I do think you should wait until you find out the outcome of the meeting before starting a campaign.

Johno100

NeilCr wrote: »

Hang on a minute. Notting Hill are having a consultation meeting with residents to discuss the planned enforcement. I assume you are all going to attend and be constructive.

The issue has been raised by the Fire Department so it's not unreasonable for Notting Hill to want to be taking some action about the improperly parked cars. Hopefully, they'll want to try to find a way forward without introducing a PPC. Perhaps you can all voluntarily agree not to park in a way that would impede an emergency vehicle. And get your friends and families to do the same. You can do that while seeing if they will open up the additional space,. They could paint yellow lines and put up no parking signs to delineate the area of concern so people know where not to park - without the PPC bit.

I am afraid that this is quite a common problem. Estate parking isn't always adequate for the modern day multi car family and, while I sympathise with you, sometimes compromises have to be made. It may well be that the 30 extra spaces will soon be inadequate.

I do think you should wait until you find out the outcome of the meeting before starting a campaign.

You really think the Fire Service (we are not in the US so it's not a "Fire Department") have actually "raised this issue"? Penny to a pound if the management company/developers are asked for a copy of the correspondence they've received they won't be able to provide it and it is all a ruse to get the PPC in.

And OP if you want to ask a pertinent question at the forthcoming meeting, then try asking who approached who - did Notting Hill Genesis approach UKCPM or was it vice versa.

NeilCr

Johno100 wrote: »

You really think the Fire Service (we are not in the US so it's not a "Fire Department") have actually "raised this issue"? Penny to a pound if the management company/developers are asked for a copy of the correspondence they've received they won't be able to provide it and it is all a ruse to get the PPC in.

And OP if you want to ask a pertinent question at the forthcoming meeting, then try asking who approached who - did Notting Hill Genesis approach UKCPM or was it vice versa.

It's certainly happened at an estate round here. I believe that the Fire Service (so sorry about wrong words) were asked their views by the ManCo because of the parking situation. We considered it ourselves

And, whatever and whoever, I do think the OP needs to go into the meeting with a constructive attitude. There are ways of trying to deal with this without the need for a PPC (one of which I suggested). It's too easy for these situations to harden into them and us

fisherjim

Just done a Streetview drive around on your estate, it does look like a couple of idiots parking without any thoughts for anyone else will have caused this, but as usual the stupid developers are the overall cause of the problem by building bottle necks.


How a car parked in one of these restrictions with a PCN on the windscreen would help a fire engine get through is another question though.


If the introduction of a PPC does stop the inconsiderate parking their revenue stream will dry up and they will then invent other rules and problems for you it won't end with the possible relief of the access problem.

The_Deep

I agree with Neil and FJ. The problem usually is caused by less affluent tenants, those at the bottom of the social scale, and the economically under active.

I note that they are a registered charity. They should not be climbing into bed with these scammers, complain to HM Charity Commissioners.

Read my previous post on this subject.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5927955/my-management-company-wants-to-bring-in-cpm

https://forums.landlordzone.co.uk/forum/residential-letting-questions/1053920-private-parking-companies

So far the MC have not signed a contract, probably because I am bombarding them with threats and posts from this board. Mention Coxeters.

https://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2017/03/coxeter-house-get-rid-of-uk-cpm-due-to.html

Tell them about the new act, on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these private parking companies. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, and persistent offenders denied access. Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers.

Until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.

twhitehousescat

the Fire Service were asked what access was like and and problems with parked cars

the reply:

"like many other areas of London parked cars can hinder our access "

maisie_cat

I've just driven around via streetview around and not seen a single pedestrian. I suspect the best thing would be the part pavement parking thing (not sure what it's called) where cars are permitted to park half on half off the pavement on one side of the road. Maybe worth a suggestion?

Fruitcake

It sounds like some form of parking management may be needed on your site, but introducing an unregulated PPC is not always the answer.

Try to come up with positive suggestions on how to improve parking such as better markings, part pavement parking as suggested above, or opening up the area for parking you mentioned earlier.
Do however point out the problems bringing a bunch of scammers on site will cause. Use the same words our MPs used in open parliament to describe the PPCs, for example, scammers, liars, thieves, cowboys, bloodsuckers. Explain that a new parking act has been introduced precisely because of the behaviour of these companies.

Explain how they have made peoples lives a misery and how our MPs have been inundated with tens upon tens of thousands of complaints.
Cite a few examples of their cowboy behaviour, preferably picking ones specific to this particular PPC. Point out that IPC members do not have a fair independent appeals process.

Point out that limiting families to only one permit may form an unfair contract, as well as being a typical ploy used by PPCs as a license to print money. A whitelist of allowed vehicles in addition to permits would be a much fairer solution as PPCs have a habit of supplying permits that are not fit for purpose because they are not adhesive or fall off if the car is accidently rocked by wind or people, or even someone deliberately bouncing on them.

Insist that a self ticketing method is prohibited. Only fully uniformed PPC operatives are allowed to ticket.

Ask for assurances that if a PPC is introduced, the contract will be written in such a way that PCNs can be cancelled upon request at no cost.
Ask to ensure that the contract can be cancelled without cost at any point if they breach their own existing voluntary trade code of conduct, as well as the new mandatory code when it is introduced.
State that the signs should be vetted by residents and the HA/MA before installation and checked against the CoP.
Also point out that advertising consent is required for signs but many PPCs don't bother with it despite the fact that it is a criminal offence not to have it.

Insist that they do not have the right to take residents to court. Pick a few cases where this has happened on residential estates, especially if this PPC is one of the culprits.

Since the blue badge scheme does not apply on private land, no disabled motorist should be ticketed for not having a BB on show.

What I'm saying is, be positive where you can, but be precise about the problems caused by unregulated PPCs, and target your suggestions accordingly to avoid the problems thousands of other residents have experienced across the country.
Make sure the people bringing in the PPCs understand they will be jointly liable if they bring in a PPC, and must therefore realise they may end up in court as witnesses if a resident is taken to court. It's in their interests to get this right. Remember, they are supposed to be acting in the best interests of all residents, not lining another company's pockets.