Decent mid range tyre

ShandyAndy_2

Why the best on rear?, front wheel drive and steering on front, the rears only follow, the a-e on wet grip and fuel economy seems misleading to me as the budget tyres are rated similarly, on the autobild tests the maxxis hp5 is actually rated better than the Avon zv7 so maybe I’ll go with the tyre garage opinion, after all they sell them all day long.

ShandyAndy_2

AdrianC wrote: »

So buy a set of four...

https://www.camskill.co.uk/m54b0s16p0/

Out of that lot - Toyo, Vredestein, Uniroyal, Avon - all low £50s each.
They're the bargains - when you consider the real cheap and nasties are squeezing in under £40, the bulk of the ali-baba-by-the-containerload ditchfinders are in the low-mid £40s, and you've still got utter chod up the low £70s - where the Contis and Michs start...

Now consider that they last 25k miles, for the sake of argument.
Even £75 each is just one-third of a penny per mile. How much is fuel? How much is the total running cost, including depreciation/insurance/fuel/etc...?




Even top quality tyres are ridiculously cheap. Ditchfinder rubbish is a total false economy.

4 tyres!! I’m not that rich, why bin perfectly good tyres?

Aylesbury_Duck

ShandyAndy wrote: »

Why the best on rear?, front wheel drive and steering on front, the rears only follow

It's because most people can deal with a degree of understeer, but not oversteer. I'd rather have the front sliding a bit than the back stepping out. Put your best tyres on the rear, for FWD and RWD cars.

Tokk

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

It's because most people can deal with a degree of understeer, but not oversteer. I'd rather have the front sliding a bit than the back stepping out. Put your best tyres on the rear, for FWD and RWD cars.

Precisely so.

Tokk

ShandyAndy wrote: »

4 tyres!! I’m not that rich, why bin perfectly good tyres?

"Perfectly good" in terms of wear, yes... If you'd be scared to fit them on the front, they're hardly "perfectly good" in my book.

Aylesbury Duck replied before i had chance to, but is absolutely correct - on either FWD or RWD you want your best on the back.

AdrianC

ShandyAndy wrote: »

4 tyres!! I’m not that rich, why bin perfectly good tyres?

I thought you said the other pair were "cheap and nasty"? That's why I suggested four...

The general advice to put the better pair on the back is because with your average FWD car, you will naturally respond better to understeer than to oversteer. You will notice wheelspin and back off earlier, before the back lets go. You will notice the ABS kicking in and back off earlier, before the back lets go.

almillar

Why the best on rear?, front wheel drive and steering on front, the rears only follow

Unless they don't have enough grip... There's your answer.

ShandyAndy_2

Falken rated 3rd in the 2019 tyre test and £60 each, think that’s what I’ll go with!

onomatopoeia99

Tokk wrote: »

If they're that bad then I'd be doubly concerned about having them on the back - you should always have your better tyres on the back

Is this to promote understeer rather than oversteer, because you can't steer into oversteer to correct it, or is there some more arcane reason?

Richard53

onomatopoeia99 wrote: »

Is this to promote understeer rather than oversteer, because you can't steer into oversteer to correct it, or is there some more arcane reason?

To correct understeer you need to turn the steering wheel more, which is a natural reaction if you find yourself going wide on a corner. With oversteer, you have to apply opposite lock, which is not nearly as intuitive. For the vast majority of drivers (and I mean 99.999%), an understeering car is a far safer prospect.


FWD is nowhere near as much fun as RWD on a wet roundabout, but is far safer for most of us.