Fine for entering wrong vehicle reg 5 April 2019 at 10:00AM edited 19 January 2020 at 1:17AM in Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking 255 replies 9.6K views

familyguy321

Just had a re-read of my appeal and I didn't refer to landowner contract.

https://www.docdroid.net/O0uOX8h/popla-appeal-redacted.pdf

How would you suggest I word the response to get around this?

Coupon-mad

You can't.

You are likely to lose at POPLA now and must defend it in court.

The_Deep

Coupon-mad wrote: »

You can't.

You are likely to lose at POPLA now and must defend it in court.

If it goes to court.

MistyZ

Definitely refute OPS' statement that the machine 'clearly provides instructions about how to make payment for parking ...'. Do so in line with what was said in your POPLA appeal. Might as well go out fighting.

You probably feel like kicking yourself. That landowner section really should have been in the POPLA appeal. Personally I'm still hoping for a miracle!

Anyway, no self-kicking allowed, just more fighting back. I hear that judges take a dim view of PPCs pursuing motorists for entering incorrect VRNs.

You've so nearly got there with this but kind of slipped up at key points. What can you do to tighten up? As an ex-teacher may I recommend a note book? Either on your computer or a paper one. Look up how to defend this in court and make notes with references. You will become an expert! Everyone does when the chips are down.

familyguy321

I've had another look through the evidence and there is a case summary pdf which I've uploaded here: https://pdfhost.io/v/n1QLwi7dx_111258612_CSRpdf.pdf

One particular point caught my attention.

3.The Client is authorised to manage the Site by way of an operating contact between them and the landowners (Evidenced).

They do not provide evidence of the contract. Is this a point worth highlighting in my POPLA response?

FG

Umkomaas

familyguy321 wrote: »

I've had another look through the evidence and there is a case summary pdf which I've uploaded here: https://pdfhost.io/v/n1QLwi7dx_111258612_CSRpdf.pdf

One particular point caught my attention.


They do not provide evidence of the contract. Is this a point worth highlighting in my POPLA response?

FG

Why not, you've nothing to lose by doing so.

familyguy321

familyguy321 wrote: »

OPS just submitted their reply on POPLA and attached a load of evidence. Need to respond within 7 days. Can we still fight this?

MistyZ wrote: »

Definitely refute OPS' statement that the machine 'clearly provides instructions about how to make payment for parking ...'. Do so in line with what was said in your POPLA appeal. Might as well go out fighting.

You probably feel like kicking yourself. That landowner section really should have been in the POPLA appeal. Personally I'm still hoping for a miracle!

Anyway, no self-kicking allowed, just more fighting back. I hear that judges take a dim view of PPCs pursuing motorists for entering incorrect VRNs.

You've so nearly got there with this but kind of slipped up at key points. What can you do to tighten up? As an ex-teacher may I recommend a note book? Either on your computer or a paper one. Look up how to defend this in court and make notes with references. You will become an expert! Everyone does when the chips are down.

MistyZ, thanks for the feedback and advice. I tried my best with my initial POPLA appeal and read the newbie thread as advised. I did make notes and no one had mentioned about including the landowner section.

https://www.docdroid.net/O0uOX8h/popla-appeal-redacted.pdf

Manxman_in_exile

Apologies if this is irrelevant (I seem to have strayed onto the Parking Board by mistake...)


I assume the RK paid by cash rather than by card? Otherwise your bank would have a record of the payment and I would have thought would be able to tell you who the payee was? (My bank has certainly helped me in that respect in the past).


Stable doors etc., but that's one reason why I pay everything by card. (I was nearly caught out the other day when getting proof of posting at a PO and only had just enough cash to pay for a first class stamp).


As I say, apologies as I'm sure this must already have been covered (?).

Redx

familyguy321 wrote: »

MistyZ, thanks for the feedback and advice. I tried my best with my initial POPLA appeal and read the newbie thread as advised. I did make notes and no one had mentioned about including the landowner section.

https://www.docdroid.net/O0uOX8h/popla-appeal-redacted.pdf

Read through my posts about popla appeals and you will find it mentioned in dozens of hundreds of them

Read post #3 of the newbies thread and Landowner Authority is mentioned with a link too so it's definitely there

Yes mention the lack of the evidenced authority from their bundle, because they have not included it so have not proved their landowner authority

It's probably your best rebuttal

familyguy321

Redx wrote: »

Read through my posts about popla appeals and you will find it mentioned in dozens of hundreds of them

Read post #3 of the newbies thread and Landowner Authority is mentioned with a link too so it's definitely there

Yes mention the lack of the evidenced authority from their bundle, because they have not included it so have not proved their landowner authority

It's probably your best rebuttal

Redx,

Based on your experience, could you help with the wording for the landowner authority evidence in my rebuttal? I don't want to mess up again