Do I need a LOLER certificate for our lift?

Savvy_Sue

J_B wrote: »

Understood, but don't you think that agreeing a contract for quarterly 'lift maintenance' which includes, quote <<Inspection, cleaning, lubrication and adjustment for optimum performance. Report giving recommendations and observations. Changing of light bulbs. Insurance reporting. General cleaning of plant room>>

gives me enough peace of mind without some other random bit of paper??

Oh very possibly. But then I've not read what's covered in the LOLER (and no I'm not about to start now ...)

and it all goes back to Risk Assessment. Does that maintenance list include making sure that if there is ANYTHING impeding the closing of the doors, then that impediment stops the doors, fully and immediately? If it does NOT, then does the LOLER include such an inspection?

Because an awful tragedy involving a young child and a poorly maintained lift has slipped into my mind, unbidden.

The art of the Risk Assessment: what's the worst that could happen, and how likely is it to happen?

J_B wrote: »

Rant mode on..
I used to be a farmer ... one of the reasons that I gave up was because of all of the pointless box ticking exercises that we had to undergo just to keep some boffin in an office happy (someone who wouldn't know a healthy cow from a sick one) ... that's why I'm keen not to encourage more of these folks into my world!!! :mad:

Rant over!

:rotfl: Sorry, but box ticking goes on in every business.

J_B

J_B wrote: »

Also, just had this email ...

There was a temporary problem while delivering your message to hse.infoline@natbrit.com. Gmail will retry for 46 more hours. You'll be notified if the delivery fails permanently.

:mad:



I've just tried another contact page from the link you posted and the auto responder says ...
<<Thank you for submitting your enquiry to the Health & Safety Executive's advice team. We will aim to provide you with a response to your enquiry within 30 working days of receipt. You may also wish to visit our website at www.hse.gov.uk where you will find a comprehensive range of health and safety information and guidance.>>


30 working days!! :mad:

The original email I sent got a full bounce response a few days later, but today I've had an email from HSE which is as clear as mud, a bit like their regulations which "may not apply" :mad: ....


[FONT=&quot]Mr B,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Thank you for contacting the Health and Safety Executive with your enquiry regarding passenger lifts in holiday apartments.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The guidance for [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Passenger lifts and escalators is given on our website. LOLER (and PUWER) may not apply where a passenger lift is not used by people at work. However, if the lift is operated by - or to some extent under the control of - an employer or self-employed person in connection with their business, they still have some responsibility for the health and safety of people they don't employ. This includes members of the public (residents/guests) who use the lift and those people who may work on or inspect the lift.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Section 3 of the Health and Safety at Work Act[/FONT][FONT=&quot] imposes these general responsibilities, so far as reasonably practicable. As the risks may be the same as when using lifts in connection with work, a similar regime of maintenance, inspection and examination to that required under LOLER and PUWER may be entirely 'reasonably practicable' in managing the risks. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The guidance on frequency for thorough examinations for equipment used to lift people is given in LOLER. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]HSE’s role requires us to ensure that duty holders comply with legislation, however we do not prescribe in detail how that is achieved. Because every undertaking is unique and diverse the onus is on the duty holder to ensure that they comply with current legislation. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]HSE is only able to provide generic information on health and safety issues and cannot give specific advice on individual cases, as the circumstances of each individual situation will be different. Any views given by us on the interpretation of the Regulations represent our best judgement at the time, based on the information available. Ultimately, only the courts can give an authoritative interpretation of the law when considering the application of the Health & Safety at Work etc Act 1974 and the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999. Accordingly we would always advise you to seek the views of your own professional advisors.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Please be aware that HSE is not permitted to offer a health and safety consultancy service. If you feel you need to engage the services of a health and safety consultant you may wish to visit the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Occupational Safety and Health Consultants Register (OSCHR)[/FONT][FONT=&quot], which provides information about qualified health and safety consultants.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yours sincerely[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]xxxxx|Advice Officer[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Concerns and Advice Team | [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Operational Services Division[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Health and Safety Executive | Redgrave Court, Merton Road, Bootle, L20 7HS[/FONT]

Savvy_Sue

What that says is "not our responsibility unless it all goes horribly wrong and we prosecute you, at which point the courts decide whether or not you should have done X, Y and Z."

I refer you to my post a few up, where I mentioned how the Fire Brigade used to (have to) carry out inspections, which they no longer do - you pay someone to do it privately.

And I also mentioned any associations for holiday flat owners - asking there might get you better informed responses than the very generic ones we can give.