Newcastle Airport UKPPO BW Legal collective defence group

twhitehousescat

YorkyDave wrote: »

Indeed the signs were changed around the airport around July 2015. They previously read "Penalty Charge" and they were changed to read "Parking Charge" as did the PPN`s change also.
Even at one point there were Penalty Charge and Parking Charge notices together side by side. I took photos of these at the time.


The Penalty Notice I am dealing with is from May 2015 and been through the tread mill of the usual letters but no further.

ahh , so the bylaws on this land were repealed / cancelled back in july 2015?

answers on a postcard to the DVLA

FezzyWasp

Hi all,

Very encouraging reading through this mammoth post! There must be so much sense of relief for those that have succeeded! In my case, my principles have taken over in relation to a similar phony charge from UKPPO (which I have posted about under "Newcastle Airport - Letter of Claim - BW Legal") and I intend to go down the contest jurisdiction route when the time comes.

Is this the route you would recommend? (I am neither here nor there about the £100 as the hat is over the wall).

@BountyHunter - I have tried to PM you to ask for any tips but it appears your inbox is on overload! Any tips appreciated.

Thanks all,

Fezzywasp

Marciecbr

Good evening Ive had my appeal rejected with some direct responses to points I raised in my appeal such as the land being private and them acting as an agent, which I believe is incorrect. Could I pleass get some support from this excellent group via the WhatsApp group, as another member has mentioned bountyhunters email is full as I intend to appeal to the IAS. Thankyou very much.

Redx

I think the whatsapp group has disbanded , but previous posts have indicated what they did in respect of court claims

you should have expected a rejection, there is no profit in acceptance

the IAS is not recommended at all, read the NEWBIES thread to see why not

the time to fight these is in court , which is what Bountyhunter and the others did

ignore them and await any court claim within 6 years

Edislaw

the WahtsApp Group did a great job for themselves and have left behind some excellent information. what I am unclear on is the status of the appeal to a judge?

Woppy101

Hi guys, I got a ticket for parking at ncl airport, I have had my appeal rejected, I appealed because the offence happened on the 27th of dec and they didn’t issue the fine until the 14th of jan and I though they only had 14 days to issue a fine, where should I go from here I’m thinking about appealing to the Independent Appeals Service.

Redx

no , you are wrong there

POFA doesnt apply at an airport, so the 14 day rule doesnt either

they have 7 months to issue a pcn because that is the time limit set by the DVLA

a keeper has no liability for them , but a driver does, so I hope you didnt reveal who was driving in your futile appeal ?

the IAS is a kangaroo court and usually a waste of time

Woppy101

Redx wrote: »

no , you are wrong there


POFA doesnt apply at an airport, so the 14 day rule doesnt either


they jhave 7 months to issue a pcn because that is the time limit set by the DVLA


a keeper has no liability for them , but a driver does, so I hope you didnt reveal who was driving in your futile appeal ?


the IAS is a kangaroo court and usually a waste of time

Nope this was what I said
“
I am appealing this ticket as You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act.the alleged incident happened on the 27/12/2019 and the issue date was the 13/01/2020 which is 17 days after the incident. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.
There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.”

What should I do now just ignore the letters or is there another path?

Redx

fair enough , except they are not using POFA due to it being non relevant land , so as I said your argument about the 14 day rule doesnt hold up either

but as keeper you have no liability in law if argued correctly

for now , its wait and see if they issue a court claim within 6 years , same as the other twenty odd people (or more) did in this thread

Woppy101

Redx wrote: »

fair enough , except they are not using POFA due to it being non relevant land , so as I said your argument about the 14 day rule doesnt hold up either

but as keeper you have no liability in law if argued correctly

for now , its wait and see if they issue a court claim within 6 years , same as the other twenty odd people (or more) did in this thread

Is is what they replied
“ Please be advised that The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 is not applicable on land where Bye-laws apply; the Bye-laws take precedence. Therefore, there are no time restrictions on Postal PCNs and the Bye-laws also state that the Registered Keeper is liable.”