M1 Smart Motorway Speed Cameras

Nasqueron

wymondham wrote: »

mmmm, and people call me a poor driver for wanting a speed limiter on my car so I can look at the road rather than my dash...

Cruise control or speed limiter do make it easier yes but any half decent driver should be able to remain at or below the speed limit without

family4tunes

Mercdriver wrote: »

I travel along that section of the M4 very frequently in both directions. I am occasionally above the 70 and at the top end of the 'ACPO' thresholds and have never had an NIP. I have been overtaken by someone going a little faster who did get flashed.

Many people are getting caught as they believe that the cameras are not active when no lower limit being displayed. I know that to be untrue, but I am confident that they are being enforced at former ACPO levels.

Speeding fines

Under the new rules, which were introduced on April 24 2017, drivers can be charged up to 175 per cent of their weekly wage. There is a cap of £1,000 on minor speeding offences or up to £2,500 for major ones.

A three band system will determine the severity of an offence and corresponds to different charges. These charges are calculated on a percentage basis. A minor offence constitutes a band A charge. Band A charges are for drivers who exceed the stated speed limit between one and 10mph. So, if a driver travels 31mph up to 40mph in a 30mph zone, they can be charged between 25 per cent and 75 per cent of their weekly income.
Drivers who exceed the stated speed limit by 11mph up to 20mph will be charged between 75 per cent and 125 per cent of their wage. Major offences, which are for speed limit breaches of up 22mph and above will be charged between 125 per cent and 175 per cent of their week wage.

In addition to the variable fee motorists could land themselves with a driving offence of this nature, they could also receive between three and six penalty points.

family4tunes

wymondham wrote: »

mmmm, and people call me a poor driver for wanting a speed limiter on my car so I can look at the road rather than my dash...

Totally agree, its far too costly nowadays to take a risk going over the speed limit on any road.

For those that do, most believe they are gods and are driving beyond their capabilities in the majority of cases.

A high percentage of drivers on the motorway have never had any formal training on Motorways and also have limited experience of driving at faster speeds.

The speed limits wherever are there for safety, and not to exceed

family4tunes

Mercdriver wrote: »

I travel along that section of the M4 very frequently in both directions. I am occasionally above the 70 and at the top end of the 'ACPO' thresholds and have never had an NIP. I have been overtaken by someone going a little faster who did get flashed.

Many people are getting caught as they believe that the cameras are not active when no lower limit being displayed. I know that to be untrue, but I am confident that they are being enforced at former ACPO levels.

Speeding fines

Under the new rules, which were introduced on April 24 2017, drivers can be charged up to 175 per cent of their weekly wage. There is a cap of £1,000 on minor speeding offences or up to £2,500 for major ones. A three band system will determine the severity of an offence and corresponds to different charges. These charges are calculated on a percentage basis.

A minor offence constitutes a band A charge. Band A charges are for drivers who exceed the stated speed limit between one and 10mph. So, if a driver travels 31mph up to 40mph in a 30mph zone, they can be charged between 25 per cent and 75 per cent of their weekly income. Drivers who exceed the stated speed limit by 11mph up to 20mph will be charged between 75 per cent and 125 per cent of their wage. Major offences, which are for speed limit breaches of up 22mph and above will be charged between 125 per cent and 175 per cent of their week wage.

In addition to the variable fee motorists could land themselves with a driving offence of this nature, they could also receive between three and six penalty points.

Mercdriver

family4tunes wrote: »

Speeding fines

Under the new rules, which were introduced on April 24 2017, drivers can be charged up to 175 per cent of their weekly wage. There is a cap of £1,000 on minor speeding offences or up to £2,500 for major ones. A three band system will determine the severity of an offence and corresponds to different charges. These charges are calculated on a percentage basis.

A minor offence constitutes a band A charge. Band A charges are for drivers who exceed the stated speed limit between one and 10mph. So, if a driver travels 31mph up to 40mph in a 30mph zone, they can be charged between 25 per cent and 75 per cent of their weekly income. Drivers who exceed the stated speed limit by 11mph up to 20mph will be charged between 75 per cent and 125 per cent of their wage. Major offences, which are for speed limit breaches of up 22mph and above will be charged between 125 per cent and 175 per cent of their week wage.

In addition to the variable fee motorists could land themselves with a driving offence of this nature, they could also receive between three and six penalty points.

Are you saying that fixed penalties don't exist? The thresholds are still there and despite rumours of zero tolerance, there haven't been any actual cases seen of people being done for 71 in a 70 limit.

Saying it twice doesn't make me wrong about how speed cameras are set at a starting level of the thresholds set by police forces. What you state (twice) here is the fine levels when a case goes to court. Remember also that up to 42 in a 30 limit can qualify for a speed awareness course, up to and including 49mph in a 30 will qualify for a fixed penalty of 3 points and £100 fine.

There has been no evidence here or on pepipoo of people being done for anything below the old ACPO thresholds. Yes speeding is an absolute offence so 31 in a 30 is an offence, but remember that part of the test for prosecution is the 'in the public interest' and I have seen at least one case on pepipoo where a case didn't go forward because it failed to meet that test by the CPS.

Also on a point of forum etiquette I think your repeated moralising comment fits better in the other speeding thread here:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5970251/why-is-speeding-socially-acceptable

It is not relevant to this thread.

Nearly_Old

family4tunes wrote: »

Speeding fines

Under the new rules, which were introduced on April 24 2017, drivers can be charged up to 175 per cent of their weekly wage. There is a cap of £1,000 on minor speeding offences or up to £2,500 for major ones. A three band system will determine the severity of an offence and corresponds to different charges. These charges are calculated on a percentage basis.

A minor offence constitutes a band A charge. Band A charges are for drivers who exceed the stated speed limit between one and 10mph. So, if a driver travels 31mph up to 40mph in a 30mph zone, they can be charged between 25 per cent and 75 per cent of their weekly income. Drivers who exceed the stated speed limit by 11mph up to 20mph will be charged between 75 per cent and 125 per cent of their wage. Major offences, which are for speed limit breaches of up 22mph and above will be charged between 125 per cent and 175 per cent of their week wage.

In addition to the variable fee motorists could land themselves with a driving offence of this nature, they could also receive between three and six penalty points.

Just to correct the totally incorrect information posted above the actual current enforcement limits are:


1. Education is offered from 10%+2mph to 10%+9mph of the posted limit i.e. in a 30mph limit it would be 35 – 42mph and so on.


2. Fixed Penalties and summons are offered as follows:
Limit Fixed Penalty Summons
20 32 - 39 mph 40mph +
30 43 – 49 mph 50mph +
40 54 – 65 mph 66mph +
50 65 – 75 mph 76mph +
60 76 – 85 mph 86mph +
70 87 – 95 mph 96mph +


Band A, B, etc fines ONLY apply when a case is heard in court. The only cases that go to court are a) those above the speeds shown above; and b) anyone who does not accept the offer of a Fixed Penalty and elects to go to court.

tsears

Your correct, I am the registered keeper, but this all happened about 5 days after I bought the car..
So guessing there is a chance that the ticket (if there is one) could go to where I bought it from?

Car_54

tsears wrote: »

Your correct, I am the registered keeper, but this all happened about 5 days after I bought the car..
So guessing there is a chance that the ticket (if there is one) could go to where I bought it from?

Yes, most likely the NIP would have gone to the previous registered keeper. He would have 28 days to respond, so it could take some weeks for you to hear anything.

CardinalWolsey

But is it all socially acceptable....?

wymondham

Nasqueron wrote: »

Cruise control or speed limiter do make it easier yes but any half decent driver should be able to remain at or below the speed limit without

Very true, but it could be costly if you 'drift' over by a few mph, especially since the limits change so frequently... saves the hassle and plus you're always safe in the knowledge you wont get a brown envelope in the post!