Kitchen renovation help

ed110220

FreeBear wrote: »

My kitchen is almost the same size - 2.4m x 3.4m. Did away with the wall units and have 5 drawline cupboards, one oven housing, an integrated fridge, and a 900mm pan drawer unit. Without the wall cupboards, the space looks a lot bigger than it used to and is so much brighter.


One comment I would make about your design - You really don't an oven or dishwasher next to a door, especially if it opens inwards. If nothing else, it prevents the door being opened fully. Throw in a couple of small children, and it is an accident waiting to happen.

The back door only opens to 90 degrees to the wall anyway as it is restricted by the door reveal, so there is still just about enough room not to be hit by it if someone flings it open from outside while cooking. The dishwasher isn't an issue as that door opens out of the room. This layout is basically the same as what is there already, it's just at the moment the condition is very poor and the units mismatched etc.

Captain_Kirk427

Could you have full height units where cupboard 13 and 14 are? As in floor to ceiling larder style?

You'd lose some worktop space, but gain cupboard space.

ed110220

Doozergirl wrote: »

If that's the best that can be done, I'd be gutted.

Please post the floorplan up. There has to be something that can improve it, but looking at the house as a whole is important.

This is the floorplan of a similar house. The differences are I have demolished the fireplace and wall between the living room and dining room, rehung the kitchen door so it opens into the hall rather than into the kitchen and we still have an ordinary window in the dining room rather than having replaced it with patio doors. Now I've removed the fireplace and made the living room and dining room open plan I'm quite happy with the layout and not looking to block up any doorways or take down any more walls etc.

bris

I can see what you mean but if it was me I would be tempted to take out the door into the dining room and put the oven, hob there making it flow round the kitchen and freeing up where the cooker is just now into a tall fridge freezer unit.


Most kitchens are only entered from a hallway but If you really think you can't do away with the link to the dining room/living room then you're more or less just tweaking what you have cabinet wise.

ed110220

bris wrote: »

I can see what you mean but if it was me I would be tempted to take out the door into the dining room and put the oven, hob there making it flow round the kitchen and freeing up where the cooker is just now into a tall fridge freezer unit.


Most kitchens are only entered from a hallway but If you really think you can't do away with the link to the dining room/living room then you're more or less just tweaking what you have cabinet wise.

Basically yes I accept that the kitchen is not ideal because I prioritise having the interconnection over kitchen layout.

cranford

If you did want to get a few more cupboards in and some extra worktop space the door to the dinning area could be replaced with a serving hatch.

sooty&sweep

Hi

A lot depends on how long you intend to stay in the house for and how you live / use the space currently.
How much of a cook are you ? Is an undercounter fridge big enough ? Please consider a sink & 1/2 rather than a single sink.
Do you use that dining room often ? Could you knock through & create a kitchen dinner ? Could you then lose the door between lounge & dining room ?
How do use that utility ? It's not very wide. Could you knock through that way & move the downstairs loo ? You could put it right at the end & have access from there or put access from the hall at the bottom of the stairs & create a cloakroom type storage space.
I realise these are all bigger changes that you're currently considering but that's why I ask how long are you planning to stay in the house & how do you live.
If you're planning to be there a while it's worth looking at the whole layout and questioning if it works for you.
Jen

whatsthenews

FreeBear wrote: »

My kitchen is almost the same size - 2.4m x 3.4m. Did away with the wall units and have 5 drawline cupboards, one oven housing, an integrated fridge, and a 900mm pan drawer unit. Without the wall cupboards, the space looks a lot bigger than it used to and is so much brighter.


One comment I would make about your design - You really don't an oven or dishwasher next to a door, especially if it opens inwards. If nothing else, it prevents the door being opened fully. Throw in a couple of small children, and it is an accident waiting to happen.

Unless your budget is really tight then I would definitely change the position of the oven and hob as it's much better to try and have at least 400 mm either side of a hob. What width are the units 11,12, 13 and 14?
As Freebear says, I would get rid of the wall units on the wall with the window on .
Don;t know how much worktop space you need (most of it should be on the same side as your oven/hob or sink otherwise it just won't get used) but have you thought about making the units either left or right of the door full height larder cupboards?
Wpuld definitely get some deep er drawers somewhere. They're so much better for storage of anything from crockery to dry food etc etc than cupboards so you don;t need as much cubic capacity. Downside is they're expensive!

whatsthenews

just another thought, could you move the door into the dining room to the right so you could get a return in the units on the window wall? If it'd just a stud wall it's not a big job. Not worth it if it's a supporting wall.

ed110220

whatsthenews wrote: »

Unless your budget is really tight then I would definitely change the position of the oven and hob as it's much better to try and have at least 400 mm either side of a hob. What width are the units 11,12, 13 and 14?
As Freebear says, I would get rid of the wall units on the wall with the window on .
Don;t know how much worktop space you need (most of it should be on the same side as your oven/hob or sink otherwise it just won't get used) but have you thought about making the units either left or right of the door full height larder cupboards?
Wpuld definitely get some deep er drawers somewhere. They're so much better for storage of anything from crockery to dry food etc etc than cupboards so you don;t need as much cubic capacity. Downside is they're expensive!

The widths on either side of the door are 1070 and 1260 mm left and right when facing the door. 11 is a 400 mm unit, 12 is a 600 mm unit (over an integrated undercounter fridge), 13 is a 600 mm unit and 14 is 500 mm. 14 I think should be changed to 600 mm.

The layout is basically the same as the kitchen is at the moment, though the unit widths have been chosen to better fit. Really don't want any less counter space as that's the most limited thing I find. Storage space is also rather limited, but probably not as much of an issue as counter. I'd normally prepare food on the worktop below wall units 13 and 14, opposite the cooker. 11 and 12 is where the microwave, kettle and toaster are.

Not wanting to move the cooker isn't really a matter of money but more thinking the alternatives are worse. Eg the neighbours have had their cooker moved to where 13 and 14 are, but I think it's too close to the back door (basically if someone opens the back door when you're standing at the cooker it will hit you, but where the cooker is at the moment is you can be behind the fully opened door without being hit) and also it's on an internal wall so you can't have a proper extractor.