Failed Habitual Residence Test

Firzen

Hmm yeah. So after studying at university, working 6 years, never comitting any crime, having no debt, I can either live on streets or return to Czech Republic and.. live on streets there. All just because I got depression. Great system. I will rather kill myself, thanks.

Alice_Holt

Firzen wrote: »

Hmm yeah. So after studying at university, working 6 years, never comitting any crime, having no debt, I can either live on streets or return to Czech Republic and.. live on streets there. All just because I got depression. Great system. I will rather kill myself, thanks.

For goodness sake!

Did you even read the links I posted?
Have you sought advice from an advice agency knowledgeable in the complexities of the UC RtR test?
Get yourself a part time job which is viewed by the DWP as gainful, and you will regain worker status and then be able to claim UC to help with housing costs.
Since you have a degree and work experience, a job should be possible. Many other people with depression (get medical help with this) have little option but to work to support their family.
Living on the streets will only worsen your health conditions, it is not a sensible option for you to consider.

poppy12345

Firzen wrote: »

Hmm yeah. So after studying at university, working 6 years

That makes no difference because you've only worked for 1 year and 1 month in the UK.

KatrinaWaves

Forgive me as my knowledge of mental health is not extensive through personal experience by any means, but if you ‘realised you needed help’ whilst on what appears to be quite an arduous pilgrimage, as well as working previously, why are you so sure you cannot work at all now.

You managed a difficult task whilst suffering from this MH condition, and ask totally not working is not an option for you in the UK, why not concentrate on working out what you can do alongside your health issues.

You State depression is ‘big fun and quite expensive’ I’m assuming you mean not fun, which I agree, but why is it expensive to have depression? And why are you now unable to use public transport or speak to people after going on a very impressive long walk previously.

Yes you may be finding these things difficult but either you have had a VERY rapid decline, and therefore you should look to a long term solution with benefits which won’t be in the UK, or you may need to try and get back to the headspace that allowed you to do the pilgrimage. Depression doesn’t just happen overnight, you talk about long term issues and you managed to have different jobs, complete Uni and do your pilgrimage despite this. You should be able to find something to keep you going in the UK.

Nothing about the decision has been wrong u fortunately.

Firzen

I would love to work. Sadly, as you can see, there are many people who simply don't understand mental health problems. And such people own companies, and are your colleagues...


I have realized that I need help during my pilgrimage, because I had thoughts about taking my life frequently, which never happened before to me. Pilgrimage long 1700 miles might sound as a great achievement, but there are many reasons why it is significantly easier than any job:


1) you don't have to wake up at certain time
2) you don't have to speak to anyone
3) you are in a beautiful nature most of the days
4) 100% of time is free time
5) you are not responsible for anything
6) nobody bullies you
7) if you decide that you will stay for a week under that tree and do nothing, nobody will say anything


And yes, of course I had problems during my pilgrimage.. Some days I barely moved anywhere. Some days it was difficult for me to even start doing anything. And no, I am not making it up, many times I have cancelled meeting my friends, didn't speak for months with my family, etc.. Now it is getting better fortunatelly, but there is no warranty it will last, sadly.


So basically, the problem is not the work itself. The problem are nasty, unsupportive people around. I can't work in such conditions at all.


Depression is expensive because you can't work and will get ZERO support - as someone ask. It is much better to have cancer - both illnesses can kill you, but when you have cancer, then literally everyone will support you immediatelly. With depression, people will leave you and treat you as !!!!.


And yes, I have a BSc, but I am just worried I might not be able to get job in any country after being unemployed for so long time. I don't know what to do, really.. :-/

New_and_Improved_Me

Firzen wrote: »

I would love to work. Sadly, as you can see, there are many people who simply don't understand mental health problems. And such people own companies, and are your colleagues...


I have realized that I need help during my pilgrimage, because I had thoughts about taking my life frequently, which never happened before to me. Pilgrimage long 1700 miles might sound as a great achievement, but there are many reasons why it is significantly easier than any job:


1) you don't have to wake up at certain time
2) you don't have to speak to anyone
3) you are in a beautiful nature most of the days
4) 100% of time is free time
5) you are not responsible for anything
6) nobody bullies you
7) if you decide that you will stay for a week under that tree and do nothing, nobody will say anything


And yes, of course I had problems during my pilgrimage.. Some days I barely moved anywhere. Some days it was difficult for me to even start doing anything. And no, I am not making it up, many times I have cancelled meeting my friends, didn't speak for months with my family, etc.. Now it is getting better fortunatelly, but there is no warranty it will last, sadly.


So basically, the problem is not the work itself. The problem are nasty, unsupportive people around. I can't work in such conditions at all.


Depression is expensive because you can't work and will get ZERO support - as someone ask. It is much better to have cancer - both illnesses can kill you, but when you have cancer, then literally everyone will support you immediatelly. With depression, people will leave you and treat you as !!!!.


And yes, I have a BSc, but I am just worried I might not be able to get job in any country after being unemployed for so long time. I don't know what to do, really.. :-/

This has got to be wind-up, and the best advert for being un-employed and getting free money from the state:


1) you don't have to wake up at certain time
2) you don't have to speak to anyone
3) you are in a beautiful nature most of the days - Ummm Debatable in cities
4) 100% of time is free time - With the exception of by-weekly attendance at the jobcentre.
5) you are not responsible for anything
6) nobody bullies you
7) if you decide that you will stay for a week under that tree and do nothing, nobody will say anything

Firzen

I don't think that getting free money and being unemployed is possible, considering my experience. I actually think that many people who need help simply won't get it. I never wanted free money and be unemployed forever. Just one, two or three months would help me. At least I would actually get to the theraphy, which I am still waiting for.

BTW: When I arrived back home, my first steps were to the GP, NOT Jobcentre. I went to the GP in October 2018, and waited months to get anything. To the Jobcentre I went in January 2019 just because my friend who is Scottish told me to do so! And I never claimed any benefits before, anywhere. I didn't even know that Universal Credit exists. My only previous visit of Jobcentre was to get National Insurance Id, when I moved to the UK.

WhenIam64

@Firzen having done the same pilgrimage as you this year albeit from SJPP, it does give you time to reflect but it is not a qualifier for the HRT.

Having mental health issues may be a qualifier for HRT but it depends on the facts.

Your work record is a qualifier and you will need to remedy the gaps you have.

The system runs on complex rules and you currently fail them. The rules are also there to protect those that give to the system as well as take from it. You've been given clear advice about where to go and what to do.

The task is now for you to take that advice and do something with it.

Tiggy_Wiggy

Firzen wrote: »

Depression is expensive because you can't work and will get ZERO support - as someone ask. It is much better to have cancer - both illnesses can kill you, but when you have cancer, then literally everyone will support you immediatelly. With depression, people will leave you and treat you as

I don't usually comment on threads but your comment really infuriated me. As someone who has stage 4 incurable cancer, I can assure you it doesn't automatically entitle you to benefits. You still have to meet the criteria for the benefit you are applying for. Sorry to say this but I would rather have depression than cancer.

mrschaucer

No comment, Tiggy Wiggy, just sending a hug.