Reasons to leave the eu

kabayiri

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, that was down to Mondelez International. Probably just as well that they did, at least I eat far less chocolate now.
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It's the low grade Cadburys chocolate which has moved out to the Polish factory.

People would be better served if they ate better quality chocolate, but in smaller quantity.

andrewf75

kabayiri wrote: »

You know as well as I that many people tend to the status quo in this type of referendum.

There is normally an inertia against change.

I say 'normally', because it feels like we are no longer in 'normal' times. The Trump election; Brexit; Right of Centre governments in EE states; riots in France; growing Right influence in Germany and Sweden (once model EU states).

Agree, but I think a lot of people on both sides voted the way they did because of they don’t want change.

movilogo

I thought it was more that Cameron was expecting another Coalition with the pro-EU Lib Dems, so offered a referendum apparently safe in the knowledge that he would never have to deliver on it and could pin it on the Lib Dems. Unfortunately for him, the Lib Dem vote collapsed and he won a majority and was forced to hold the referendum he never really wanted.

Now the genie is out of the bottle and can't be pushed back to bottle again.

Farage is starting a new Brexit party. With both Labour and Tories are split on Brexit, there is a good chance of rise in extrememe far right. This is not good for anyone.

Better leave the EU, make people see if there is any impact on their lives and if necessary offer a referendum few years later to see if people want to rejoin EU.

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

Better leave the EU, make people see if there is any impact on their lives and if necessary offer a referendum few years later to see if people want to rejoin EU.

Rejoining is never going to be an option. It will always be politically difficult however severe the consequences of leaving turn out to be. All that will happen is that we gradually realign ourselves in the manner of Switzerland and Norway.

mayonnaise

movilogo wrote: »

Farage is starting a new Brexit party.

Excellent. That splits the brextremist vote between the Tory Right, UKIP, the SDP and now Farage's new party. :T
We need some more Brexit parties. :rotfl:

kabayiri

movilogo wrote: »

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Farage is starting a new Brexit party. With both Labour and Tories are split on Brexit, there is a good chance of rise in extrememe far right. This is not good for anyone.
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How do you know?

China has had a pretty authoritarian government for decades now, under which, the standard of living has improved for millions of their citizens.

Do you think their older style Communist system could have delivered the same?

bugslet

andrewf75 wrote: »

Its the biggest difference between the two sides. Remainers weigh it up and come down on one side, leavers are much more ideological and most don't even weigh it up. (Its a generalisation obviously and I know there are ideological remainers and I know people who consider carefully and come down on the side of leave)

I always consider you one of the more sensible Remain people andrew:). I was Remain reluctantly, moved to Leave reluctantly - I can see pluses and minuses on both sides. I like to think I made a considered choice ( not based on the side of a bus), but as soon as you say you voted Leave you are obviously an idiot, though presumable not a few months earlier. It's very depressing that people (on both sides) have become so black and white.

movilogo wrote: »

Now the genie is out of the bottle and can't be pushed back to bottle again.

Farage is starting a new Brexit party. With both Labour and Tories are split on Brexit, there is a good chance of rise in extrememe far right. This is not good for anyone.

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I think that if there is a party that promised Brexit, they could do well. I'd rather not vote than vote Corbyn and I always vote. Conservatives are in a complete tailspin. I think actually rather than the right wing Brexit vote being split between UKIP/Conservatives et al, someone with a bit of nouse could coalesce the right, centre and far-ish, and do well at a GE, if they weren't too bonkers about other policies.

andrewf75

bugslet wrote: »

I always consider you one of the more sensible Remain people andrew:). I was Remain reluctantly, moved to Leave reluctantly - I can see pluses and minuses on both sides. I like to think I made a considered choice ( not based on the side of a bus), but as soon as you say you voted Leave you are obviously an idiot, though presumable not a few months earlier. It's very depressing that people (on both sides) have become so black and white.

Thanks. It is depressing how few of us there are who see both sides. You’d think that everyone would know someone on the other side whose views they respect.

This division in society and the way we can get so tribal over something so complex certainly worries me a lot more than whether we stay in the EU or not!

kabayiri

Ethan_Sanders wrote: »

Ok, here is my opinion. I believe that eastern Europe is a good place for investments because of its low prices and high economic perspectives. I invested in Hungary and satisfied with results. BUT! I still believe in west. I don't care about Brexit and believe in long term recovery. If it is possible, better not to put all eggs in one basket and everything will be fine!

I went to look at a factory in EE recently which produces hifi components.

The unit costs of production are getting too high now, and it's hard to push for a premium brand if it isn't boutique/Britain made.

Eastern Europe was cheap, but you can get just as good quality for less money by sourcing from China, even with some of the dubious component swaps that happen.

As far as I can tell, the EU is just going to push up the costs of using places like Poland.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Eastern Europe was cheap, but you can get just as good quality for less money by sourcing from China, even with some of the dubious component swaps that happen.

Even China is struggling to compete with Cambodia and Vietnam. The global workforce is evolving rapidly. Speed of transportation being a major driver.