Reasons to leave the eu

zarf2007

Just to remind the remainers who think the EU is a utopian paradise:

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EUgrant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs

Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.

39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU

The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.

OUT OF EUROPE we need to be out of it

Herzlos

How many of those factories do you reckon would have moved out of the UK if we weren't in the EU?

Mr_Curious

So by being out of Europe, how does that change anything of what you have said above? EU grant or not, as a business it is prudent to manufacture things where it costs less, be that in Europe/Far East etc.



I don't see you point Zarf

Zero_Gravitas

zarf2007 wrote: »

Just to remind the remainers who think the EU is a utopian paradise:

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EUgrant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.

Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs

Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.

39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU

The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.

OUT OF EUROPE we need to be out of it

The poster just found a list somewhere on the internet (possibly here: http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2015-075-an-audit-of-uk-and-how-it-has-been-asset-stripped/ and posted it with no thought whatsoever if it’s actually true or not

The list itself is pretty comprehensively rebuffed here:

http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-does-not-fund-companies-to-move-jobs-out-of-the-uk/

Which is fairly obviously a pro-EU link, but that doesn’t make the links within any less valid.

Is it just me, or does there appear to have been a bit of an outbreak of leaver tinfoil-hattery over the past few days?

daveyjp

I read "Ford Transit" and "EU grant" and knew the poster was simply repeating fake news so went no further.

Thrugelmir

Business will move to where it's most profitable to be based. Could be the EU or anywhere else on the globe. UK producers of tyres are currently closing operations. As cannot compete with Chinese imports. No doubt European operations are suffering likewise. The EU as a whole is now service based. Back to the old slogan of "Buy British". If you don't use it then lose it.

StevieJ

This is the best one :rotfl:

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.

Brexiteer moves to Malaysia to cut costs. Why would the EU finance that?

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

This is the best one :rotfl:



Brexiteer moves to Malaysia to cut costs. Why would the EU finance that?

Dyson started manufacturing there in 2003. Hardly currently news. No different to other manufacturers who have been in China over 20 years.

enthusiasticsaver

Those claims have been solidly rebuffed by the companies concerned and are totally inaccurate and manufactured by the leave campaign along with other lies they told like the promises of non existent money for NHS. They left because it is cheaper to manufacture abroad and numerous government policies over the years due to claims we are expensive, inefficient and the governments do not value these types of industry. This is not unique to UK.

Since Brexit though we have lost many more. Many may not be fans of Banks but they bring a lot in by way of taxes and since the referendum Barclays, Goldman Sachs, Lloyds and Deutsche Bank have all either relocated their head offices elsewhere in the EU or announced they will do. Diageo has moved their vodka production out of Scotland to Italy and US and Microsoft is hedging its bets until they know tariffs but have called a halt to expansion in UK. 40% of games industry companies are also considering relocation out of UK.
https://www.verdict.co.uk/which-companies-could-leave-the-uk-because-of-brexit/

Check out some other links before posting false information. Your claims are rebuffed here.
https://infacts.org/eu-not-paying-uk-firms-outsource/

Fake news indeed.

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Dyson started manufacturing there in 2003. Hardly currently news. No different to other manufacturers who have been in China over 20 years.

The EU financing the move is the funny bit. Maybe they were desperate to get rid of Dyson

wunferall

StevieJ wrote: »

The EU financing the move is the funny bit. Maybe they were desperate to get rid of Dyson

Well they certainly didn't help by "fixing" their measurements of efficiency for vacuum cleaners - which it took Dyson 5 years to get the EU to accept mainly because of how long it takes the EU to actually do anything.
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