Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lisyloo

triathlon wrote: »

This is not a complaint about Brexit, I fully understand and accept that it will now happen. Yesterday though I gave my regular Polish builder that I have now used for over 10 years a call to do a load of work for me come Spring(ish). He is the most straightest, honest and intelligent builder I have ever used, he has built up such a good reputation that he was taking on some of the best work in the Cambridge area.

He normally has between 15 and 20 men working for him, all of them doing between 3-4 month stints in the UK and then returning back home to Poland for several weeks break and then back to the UK again, all staying at Reg's rental properties(obviously not his real name).

He has told me there is no way this year he can get out to me, and this is a guy who never lets you down, He now has 4 guys in the UK with 2 that "might" be returning to the UK in March, but of the 4 guys left they are unsure what to do this year.

These builders were the best I have ever had by far, all are going to be lost and leaving me in the position where I will be forced to go back to the self entitled clowns I had been using where they think the job is all about them as they go home at 2 Pm some days and far worse.

OK, rant over, whatever is going to happen is going to happen, but I have said my bit and you can bet that what is happening to me is happening all over the UK, a mass shooting in our own foot.

This is what we collectively voted for.
Also IR35 which is not mainstream news.
There are many freelancers who will be either leaving the uk, taking early retirement or possibly unemployment because of new legislation. Some may not be Able to earn enough to be economically mobile (expenses like hotel not paid). Another shot in the foot.

I think people will be disappointed. As well as losing their skills those guys probably didn’t use the NHS much and probably were very efficient in their use of accommodation so won’t free up much housing.

Fran_Klee

We've seen such warnings from before we even had the referendum - so far it's all been proven to be nothing more than words.
"Recession"; "Hundreds of thousands of jobs will go"; even "war!".
The reality: despite a global slowdown and despite concentrated efforts of the pro-EU squad the UK has continued to grow.
Stellar growth?
No, but still growth - when the likes of Germany & Italy struggle and face recession.

Things might well change & personally I don't doubt that some of the changes won't be for the better but IMHO far more good will come from leaving the EU than staying in it.
That presumably is the way the majority thought, otherwise we would be in a different place by now.

When even Airbus say they are likely to increase UK jobs after Brexit vs Germany saying 400k German jobs will go as vehicle production changes with the rise of alternative fuels, I'm thankful that we have the opportunity to be in a better place.

Now we have to make the most of that opportunity.
It's down to us.
We can forge ahead or sit and whinge.
Already we see some of both here.
Lets hope that the coming years see more of the can-do-ers and less of the whingers.

lisyloo

I agre, but those who move country for work opportunity are definitely in the can-do bracket.

Thrugelmir

triathlon wrote: »

OK, rant over, whatever is going to happen is going to happen, but I have said my bit and you can bet that what is happening to me is happening all over the UK, a mass shooting in our own foot.

In all likelihood they were always going to return home. No different to UK individuals working in the Middle East over the past 5 decades.

goral

Fran_Klee wrote: »

We've seen such warnings from before we even had the referendum - so far it's all been proven to be nothing more than words.
"Recession"; "Hundreds of thousands of jobs will go"; even "war!".
The reality: despite a global slowdown and despite concentrated efforts of the pro-EU squad the UK has continued to grow.
Stellar growth?
No, but still growth - when the likes of Germany & Italy struggle and face recession.

But... there is not brexit yet.
Even 1.02 still UK will be in EU.
Brexit will happen after transitional period. So, just wait till brexit will really happen!
What could be after brexit - you can read in government documents call "Yellow hammer".

Things might well change & personally I don't doubt that some of the changes won't be for the better but IMHO far more good will come from leaving the EU than staying in it.
That presumably is the way the majority thought, otherwise we would be in a different place by now.

Yes, and food banks rise, poverty in work rise, raw sliping rise, waiting time at A&E rise... Every thing in UK rise. And after brexit will be rise even faster.

When even Airbus say they are likely to increase UK jobs after Brexit vs Germany saying 400k German jobs will go as vehicle production changes with the rise of alternative fuels, I'm thankful that we have the opportunity to be in a better place.

Any sources?

Now we have to make the most of that opportunity.
It's down to us.
We can forge ahead or sit and whinge.
Already we see some of both here.
Lets hope that the coming years see more of the can-do-ers and less of the whingers.

What opportunities will you have that you don't have right now?

Thrugelmir

goral wrote: »

Yes, and food banks rise, poverty in work rise, raw sliping rise, waiting time at A&E rise... Every thing in UK rise. And after brexit will be rise even faster.

Are you suggesting that the EU membership hasn't provided benefits then?

lisyloo

Thrugelmir wrote: »

In all likelihood they were always going to return home. No different to UK individuals working in the Middle East over the past 5 decades.

If we’d stayed in the eu then there would have been a turnover but levels would not have dropped.
Eu migration has dropped directly because of sterling.

Thrugelmir

lisyloo wrote: »

Eu migration has dropped directly because of sterling.

Likewise people have earnt/accumulated good money here over the past decade or so. Sufficient to return home and start businesses, buy a home etc. Cost of living is still very much cheaper across parts of Eastern Europe.

Getting_greyer

So who do we blame the government's failings on when we have controlled immigration?

Thrugelmir

Getting_greyer wrote: »

So who do we blame the government's failings on when we have controlled immigration?

Which failings in particular?