Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

There are some similarities between them.

Brits wanting to only have to experience British culture and not be offended by the cultures of foreigners.

Same applies in reverse. Forcing people to integrate is a non starter. Language more often or not is the primary barrier. Likewise retaining their own culture and religous beliefs.

Tromking

phillw wrote: »

Really? Leavers are always complaining about areas that are no go for whites etc, are you saying they are lying?

If there was a policy of integration then we wouldn't have concentrated areas. The problem was that people moved out as soon as a foreigner moved in, because they were scared it would drive prices down. I'm certainly not making that up.

I was commenting on you saying that we had policy of xenophobic segregation, you now seem to be saying otherwise. As usual you go in heavy on the reactionary rhetoric but are light on justifying your comments.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

I was commenting on you saying that we had policy of xenophobic segregation, you know seem to be saying otherwise. As usual you go in heavy on the reactionary rhetoric but are light on justifying your comments.

There are some good issues bought up in this if you want to read it all.

https://www4.shu.ac.uk/research/cresr/sites/shu.ac.uk/files/housing-integration-segregation-rapid-lit-review.pdf

Councils and private landlords have certainly played their part in creating what amounts to segregated areas. I don't think the government has done enough to support integration, the last few years of the conservatives have been very anti-immigrant.

Moe_The_Bartender

phillw wrote: »

There are some good issues bought up in this if you want to read it all.

https://www4.shu.ac.uk/research/cresr/sites/shu.ac.uk/files/housing-integration-segregation-rapid-lit-review.pdf

Councils and private landlords have certainly played their part in creating what amounts to segregated areas. I don't think the government has done enough to support integration, the last few years of the conservatives have been very anti-immigrant.

I ask you again. What policy of integration do you have in mind?

It's easy to criticise the government but what exactly would you do? Do you not think that if there were easy solutions, someone wouldn’t have thought of them already.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Councils and private landlords have certainly played their part in creating what amounts to segregated areas. I don't think the government has done enough to support integration, the last few years of the conservatives have been very anti-immigrant.

Wondered how long it be before it became the Tories fault. Not societies.

BikingBud

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

What policy of integration do you have in mind?

I lived in Bradford for the first 40 years of my life, the son of Irish immigrants who lived in an area where other Irish and Italian immigrants lived. They eventually dispersed and integrated with the indigenous population.

I was there as a boy when the first wave of immigrants from East and West Pakistan arrived to work in the textile mills. They did what my parents did and moved into areas like Manningham where there was lots of cheap housing. The problem was that they made no attempt to integrate and largely remain in the same areas of the inner city. They have no wish to integrate and live in areas inhabited by the kuffar. There is no integration policy that would have made any difference to this.

And do you think that when a crowd of young second or third generation Asians surround you in the street and tell you to leave their area (as happened to me) that they enquire first whether you are a leaver or remainer?

But Manningham was were the mills were, (are Lister's Mill still being there) as well as the back to back houses along Heaton Rd, Oak Lane and down towards Lumb Lane. These houses got knocked down, along with the workshop in which my father worked. My father was born just off Heaton Rd and we lived there for many years, my grandparents until they died. We integrated as much as those that came to work in the mills allowed but they were not always the type to integrate.

So having people come on here and call me a racist and xenophobe is particularly galling when they know nothing about my background or upbringing.

So Phill please stop killing this thread and desist from stereotyping, personal abuse and ill-focussed drivel and let's get back to considered and reasoned discussion about the pros and cons of Brexit.

If you cannot cope with that then I suggest you shut up shop and go home.

phillw

BikingBud wrote: »

So Phill please stop killing this thread and desist from stereotyping, personal abuse and ill-focussed drivel and let's get back to considered and reasoned discussion about the pros and cons of Brexit.

I wish you would, I'm fed up with all the snarky comments, insults etc from leave voters.

I've just had a very reasoned discussion with a leave voter, the difference is he isn't aggressive.

Moe_The_Bartender

I guess that student Phil either has me on ignore or has no answers on integration.

triathlon

Watching the Labour party conference yesterday and I have now convinced myself that the party as it is has now dug it's own grave, they are finished. There probably is a lot that needs to be done in the UK looking at it from a left of centre agenda, the Thomas Cook debacle only yesterday and the fat cat bonuses that were handed out while the company was collapsing using borrowed money was disgusting and only the tip of the iceberg in the UK. Infrastructure, workers rights, crime, community care, there is just so much that needs sorting and most of it should be directed at the neglected working man or woman earning peanuts and not the work shy that have destroyed our welfare system and country.

I am never going to vote Labour, but they are needed to make the clock tick at times, more so when the Tories become to wealth loving and greedy.

Tromking

phillw wrote: »

I wish you would, I'm fed up with all the snarky comments, insults etc from leave voters.

Irony is not dead.