Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

adindas

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Adindas, I continue to be confused. What is your point?
Again, many remainers share your opinion that the euro was a mistake.

Again, if the euro was a mistake, it doesn't mean Brexit is a good idea!

Again, even your Krugman is against Brexit (read some of his other op-eds on that).

So what are you trying to say?

Forming Euro is just of one blunder the EU have made.

Simple. EU is not good for the UK "in the long run". Let alone UK will need to subsidize other countries which in turn will become UK competitors in the future. .

Expert opinion already echo that from economic POV EU is not good. He is not my Krugman. He is just an expert that his opinion need to be considered carefully.

Everyone could see the future of the world economic power house is in Asia, not EU. So not not leave earlier let alone you will need to pay to join this club.

SouthLondonUser

Adindas, none of what you say follows from the opinion that the euro was a mistake.
It's quite ironic: you quote an economist who criticises the euro, use that criticism to justify Brexit, however the very same economist does not agree with Brexit!! (look up one of his many op-eds on the topic).


Even if you believe that Asia is the future, proximity still matters! You cannot simply ignore the largest trading block on the planet, which happens to be on your doorstep, because Asia is the future.

SouthLondonUser

Tromking wrote: »

You're a bit of a control freak aren't you?

I prefer verified facts to unverifiable delusions. Call this what you like.


I also like to question people and hold them accountable for what they say. Yes, I understand this sounds odd since we live in the times of the NHS bus, the having-cake-and-eating-it etc etc, but, what can I say, that's me...

adindas

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Adindas, none of what you say follows from the opinion that the euro was a mistake.
It's quite ironic: you quote an economist who criticises the euro, use that criticism to justify Brexit, however the very same economist does not agree with Brexit!! (look up one of his many op-eds on the topic).

Even if you believe that Asia is the future, proximity still matters! You cannot simply ignore the largest trading block on the planet, which happens to be on your doorstep, because Asia is the future.

Did you really read this ?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/opinion/europe-euro-democracy-wrong.html

Krugman is talking not just about Euro currency but the EU economic policy.

It is not just me believe that Asia is the future but anyone rational could see that.

It is only the harcore remoaners still talk abut Eu whihc the history have proven have made a few bluders about theor econimic policy. Euro is just one example.

SouthLondonUser

Again, it does NOT follow that we should Brexit. Indeed, Krugman himself is not pro Brexit.

You disagree. Fine. But you have not explained why. How about answering the usual questions remainers have been asking for years? E.g.


What about Northern Ireland and the border?
Will there be a no deal? If so, what will be the disruption? What will you tell businesses like the farmers who export 40% of their meat to the EU if tariffs are imposed? If not, what will really change?

What will be the negotiating power of the UK alone vs the rest of the world when negotiating new trade deals?
Even if you believe Asia is the future, what are you saying? That we will trade with Asia more than with our neighbours?
How long will it take to negotiate trade deals with Asian countries? What till then?



Etc etc etc...

melanzana

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Again, it does NOT follow that we should Brexit. Indeed, Krugman himself is not pro Brexit.

You disagree. Fine. But you have not explained why. How about answering the usual questions remainers have been asking for years? E.g.


What about Northern Ireland and the border?
Will there be a no deal? If so, what will be the disruption? What will you tell businesses like the farmers who export 40% of their meat to the EU if tariffs are imposed? If not, what will really change?

What will be the negotiating power of the UK alone vs the rest of the world when negotiating new trade deals?
Even if you believe Asia is the future, what are you saying? That we will trade with Asia more than with our neighbours?
How long will it take to negotiate trade deals with Asian countries? What till then?



Etc etc etc...

The dodgy media in this country runs the narrative completely. That's the reality.

It is very rare that hard questions are asked of our pro Brexit politicians anywhere. All we are given are soundbytes with no back up challenges from anyone.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. We are at that stage now, where rhetoric is seen as truth.

Honestly I despair. But I suspect this debacle has gone on so long now that the fight has gone out of many who did give a damn.

Hopefully the charlatans will be exposed though. And I do continue to live in hope! But am up against it as are many others too.

adindas

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Again, it does NOT follow that we should Brexit. Indeed, Krugman himself is not pro Brexit.

You disagree. Fine. But you have not explained why. How about answering the usual questions remainers have been asking for years? E.g.

What about Northern Ireland and the border?
Will there be a no deal? If so, what will be the disruption? What will you tell businesses like the farmers who export 40% of their meat to the EU if tariffs are imposed? If not, what will really change?

What will be the negotiating power of the UK alone vs the rest of the world when negotiating new trade deals?
Even if you believe Asia is the future, what are you saying? That we will trade with Asia more than with our neighbours?
How long will it take to negotiate trade deals with Asian countries? What till then?

Etc etc etc...

As someone who talk a lot of brexit I wonder what you do not undertstand.

As someone has mentioned you seem to think that if you pose questions you have the right to demand answers, hold Leave voters to account. It does not work like that in the discussion forum. This is not a Q&A and noonene here is getting paid to answer your question.

You might ask thousands more questions and thousands more pages could be generated to discuss this.

But there is simple answer to this "People know, you also know that Brexit is the democratic mandate from people as the result of the referendum. It has also been ratified in the parliments".

During the referendum Remainers have said a lot of rubbish scaremongering, the result is that people have voted to leave the EU.

What is the cost of democracy ?? Talk a lot of rubbish scaremongaring but it will never be able to outweight the cost of democracy. In the past the people sheded the blood to gain this.

In the brexit event, there will be small impact on the short term on the UK but so will the EU, but not in the long run as you have also acknowedged the future of economy is not the EU but in ASIA. Let alone to become cash cow

Keep in mind EU are not a country. In the no-deal brexit, individual EU countries will also suffer.

About the Irish border, Ireland will suffer the most obviously as they will be isolated. 85% of their import export depend on the UK ports. Another impact on no-deal brexit are the EU countries who depend on UK net contribution considering UK is the second net largest contributors in the EU. EU countries who depend on EU subsidy such as those who get a lot of agricultural subsidies, former eastern block countries.

With UK withhold the EUR 39bil and stop paying annual contribution will mean no more money to continue development which depend on EU subsidy.

Ireland the country who suffer the most have a veto the final EU agreement. The question whether they could survive given that 85% will depend on UK goodwill. If it is about survival everyone will do everything they could to survive including to veto EU final agreement. This will disrupt EU and left EU with no confidence.

kingstreet

SpiderLegs wrote: »

MEPs are elected proportionately, so they by definition only represent the people that voted for them.

So what happens if the party I voted for in the Euro Elections wins no seats? I'm left without representation?

Really?

buglawton

Even the boldest politicians fear the possible levers that the Fat EU Controller could pull to derail a smooth Brexit. May assumed that the EU leadership holds all the good cards. Brexit supporters think otherwise and also, like scientists and businessmen, believe that all assumptions, and all marketplaces, must be tested.

So let's flush out the Fat EU Controller rather rhat roll over for him.

Tromking

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

I prefer verified facts to unverifiable delusions. Call this what you like.


I also like to question people and hold them accountable for what they say. Yes, I understand this sounds odd since we live in the times of the NHS bus, the having-cake-and-eating-it etc etc, but, what can I say, that's me...

I made a comment on the democratic deficiencies incumbent in the EU institutions (in my opinion) you then engaged in your usual ‘whataboutery’.
Like a lot of angry Remainers, you feel you have the right pose questions and demand answers and bizarrely hold Leave voters to account. You don’t.
The way it works on discussion boards like this, is that you give your take on an issue based on an honestly held opinion and others respond.
If you can’t handle other people’s opinions without getting angry, then take your control freakery elsewhere.