Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

kingstreet

adindas wrote: »

Why shall they remain absent ?

...because by turning up they would show themselves as hypocrites. They don't believe the Parliament they have been elected to holds sway over them and people like them...

SpiderLegs

kingstreet wrote: »

You seem to have a problem with elected representatives working for ALL their constituents, not just those who voted for them.

Are you one of those people who see democracy as a day on June 2016 and only available to those who agree with you?

MEPs are elected proportionately, so they by definition only represent the people that voted for them.

adindas

kingstreet wrote: »

...because by turning up they would show themselves as hypocrites. They don't believe the Parliament they have been elected to holds sway over them and people like them...

Not really, They do not breach any parliamentary rule. If the people of EU parliament could find the way for throwing the Brexit Party MEP, they would have done that.

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Sadly, it's the state of the current debate. Nobody cares about factual reality anymore.

That’s a tad unfair Mayo, I just didn’t feel the need to respond to southlondonuser’s ‘whataboutery’.

adindas

See What Paul Krugman the nobel Prize winner in economy is saying about the EU

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/opinion/europe-euro-democracy-wrong.html

"Many of Europe’s problems come from the disastrous decision, a generation ago, to adopt a single currency. The creation of the euro led to a temporary wave of euphoria, with vast amounts of money flowing into nations like Spain and Greece; then the bubble burst. And while countries like Iceland that retained their own money were able to quickly regain competitiveness by devaluing their currencies, eurozone nations were forced into a protracted depression, with extremely high unemployment, as they struggled to get their costs down

Some of the victims of the euro crisis, like Spain, have finally managed to claw their way back to competitiveness. Others, however, haven’t. Greece remains a disaster area — and Italy, one of the three big economies remaining in the European Union, has now suffered two lost decades: G.D.P. per capita is no higher now than it was in 2000."

And it is just going to be worse Not the mention the problem with Deutsche Bank that will cause a domino effect.

The article was written in June 2018. I am hoping those harcore remoaners to write a letter to Paul Krugman to say he got it wrong. Well, did he get it wrong ?See reality now.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

Right wing populist Eastern Europe holding the rest of the EU to ransom on the Brussels top jobs it seems. A problem solved if they printed 500 million ballot papers. Hey Ho.

And here we are, a couple of hours later and the democratically elected leaders of the EU have come to an agreement on both successors for President of the Council & Commision President. Of course, these will still need to be approved by the democratically elected Parliament. Hey ho.

Tromking wrote: »

That’s a tad unfair Mayo, I just didn’t feel the need to respond to southlondonuser’s ‘whataboutery’.

Fair enough, I'm sorry, didn't mean it to be personal, just bemoaning the current state of 'debate'.

SouthLondonUser

Adindas, not sure what your point is?
There are many remainers who think the euro was a mistake. It does NOT follow that Britain will be better off outside the EU. For example, AFAIK Krugman is NOT pro Brexit!

Look in your wallets : what currency do you see? Need I remind you the UK did NOT join the euro?

SpiderLegs

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all just get along

adindas

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Adindas, not sure what your point is?
There are many remainers who think the euro was a mistake. It does NOT follow that Britain will be better off outside the EU. For example, AFAIK Krugman is NOT pro Brexit!

Look in your wallets : what currency do you see? Need I remind you the UK did NOT join the euro?

The point of EU is the same with when UK need to make decision to join or not to join Euro. Thanks god UK did not join Euro. Who is laughing now.

Nobel prize economist have made a point about the EU from economic perspective. Krugman is an economist, he does not need to be pro or contra the eu he is just expressing his expert opinion.

In a few decades you might see people might say thanks got UK quit EU much earlier. The same case with the decision of joining euro.

People with visionary vision could easily see that the future of the world economic power house is in Asia, not EU.

SouthLondonUser

Adindas, I continue to be confused. What is your point?
Again, many remainers share your opinion that the euro was a mistake.

Again, if the euro was a mistake, it doesn't mean Brexit is a good idea!

Again, even your Krugman is against Brexit (read some of his other op-eds on that).

So what are you trying to say?