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System

RFW wrote: »

In the usual sense of the word you aren't an importer but someone has sent you goods from outside the country (whether you ask for them or not), once you accept them you have imported them.

Would you then agree that whilst goods are held in lien, and I have not signed to accept them into my care, I have not imported anything? How can I then be liable and held to account for any taxes? Right now I have not accepted any goods, they are not my property, they are the property of my friend. There is customs bill due on those goods and the person responsible for taxes on goods is the legal owner.

edit: to clarify, I have not received the goods yet, they are due to be delivered tomorrow, the vat has already been paid by my friend, I said vat bill is due, meant to say WAS. simple grammatical mistake.

shaun_from_Africa

tremault wrote: »

Actually, no I am not the importer because I am not the consignee. I've already stated this multiple times. I am reading your posts. Please give me the basic respect of reading mine or STOP COMMENTING.



Consignee:

A party (usually a buyer) named by the consignor (usually a seller) in transportation documents as the party to whose order a consignment will be delivered at the port of destination.


as I've said a number of times, I did not order anything, therefore I an not a consignee therefore I cannot possibly be the importer.

Notice the word in bold?
Usually, not always.

Again, using a definition from the same website you used:

Consignee is one to whom goods or merchandise are consigned.

And consigned simply means sending to. For something to be a consignment, there doesn't have to be a purchase.

It's simple.
The person sending goods (any goods be it a purchase, a present or a free sample) is the consignor.
The goods being sent are the consignment.
The person that those goods are getting sent to are the consignee.

consigned
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past simple and past participle of consign

to send something to someone:

The goods have been consigned to you by air.

No, I won't stop posting. Why should I.

shaun_from_Africa

tremault wrote: »

Would you then agree that whilst goods are held in lien, and I have not signed to accept them into my care, I have not imported anything? How can I then be liable and held to account for any taxes? Right now I have not accepted any goods, they are not my property, they are the property of my friend. There is customs bill due on those goods and the person responsible for taxes on goods is the legal owner.

Why is there a customs bill due?
You told us earlier that the bill had been paid.

tremault wrote: »

Actually, my friend paid it. He asked me for the details out of the blue and he paid it.

The problem with making up things up is having to remember the stories that you made up!

System

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Why is there a customs bill due?
You told us earlier that the bill had been paid.

The problem with making up things up is having to remember the stories that you made up!

it's not a story. it is really telling that you have to poke holes in simple grammatical errors. I said, IS, and meant to say WAS.

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Notice the word in bold?
Usually, not always.

Again, using a definition from the same website you used:

And consigned simply means sending to. For something to be a consignment, there doesn't have to be a purchase.

It's simple.
The person sending goods (any goods be it a purchase, a present or a free sample) is the consignor.
The goods being sent are the consignment.
The person that those goods are getting sent to are the consignee.



No, I won't stop posting. Why should I.

Because you don't know what you're talking about. you can't even distinguish between a simple english definition and a legal definition.

So how about you use the legal definition and not the simple english definition? here , allow me.
consign

v. 1) to deliver goods to a merchant to sell on behalf of the party delivering the items, as distinguished from transferring to a retailer at a wholesale price for re-sale. Example: leaving one's auto at a dealer to sell and split the profit. 2) to deliver to a carrier to be taken to an agent of the sender. 3) when a debtor has belongings but no money to pay his/her creditors and deposits his/her goods with a trustee who will sell them to raise money to pay the owner's debts and creditors. This is done by agreement between a debtor and his/her creditors or by order of a bankruptcy judge.

how does any of this apply to me?

edit:
Consignment

The delivery of goods to a carrier to be shipped to a designated person for sale. A Bailment of goods for sale.
A consignment is an arrangement resulting from a contract in which one person, the consignor, either ships or entrusts goods to another, the consignee, for sale. If the goods are transported by a carrier to the consignee, the name of the consignor appears on the bill of lading as the person from whom the goods have been received for shipment. The consignee's name appears on it as the person to whom delivery is to be made. The consignee acts as an agent on behalf of the consignor, a principal, in selling the goods and must take reasonable care of them while in his or her possession. The consignor does not give up ownership of the goods until their sale.
Under the terms of the consignment contract, the consignee agrees to pay the consignor a balance of the price received for any goods sold, which has been reduced by a fee, usually a small percentage of the sale price. Any goods that have not been sold must be returned to the consignor.

mgdavid

tremault wrote: »

Actually, no I am not the importer because I am not the consignee. I.........

Actually you are a lot of things.
In this case you are the addressee, therefore the consignee, therefore the importer.


Respect has to be earned, usually by humility and a willingness to learn from those who know more than you do. Also in this specific case showing a grasp of internationally agreed incoterms and import / export procedures, and a realisation that people who have actually worked in the relevant industry may just know more than you do about the subject.


It is not earned by being dogmatic, argumentative and trying to prove that black is white to suit your own twisted views. Or by telling other forumites who are trying to help you what they can and cannot say on a public forum.


I would like this post to be taken in the spirit it is given - but sadly I doubt it.

System

mgdavid wrote: »

Actually you are a lot of things.
In this case you are the addressee, therefore the consignee, therefore the importer.

you're going to need to qualify that, otherwise it's just an uninformed opinion.
provide something to back it up and it may be treated as fact.


EDIT:

just to be clear, any number of people could be working in an industry for decades and that doesn't automatically make them an expert. they may know the general nomenclature of their business, but that doesn't mean their nomenclature is the law. I sometimes call my loved ones 'duck' but it doesn't mean they are an actual duck.

mgdavid

tremault wrote: »

you're going to need to qualify that, otherwise it's just an uninformed opinion.
provide something to back it up and it may be treated as fact.


EDIT:

just to be clear, any number of people could be working in an industry for decades and that doesn't automatically make them an expert. they may know the general nomenclature of their business, but that doesn't mean their nomenclature is the law. I sometimes call my loved ones 'duck' but it doesn't mean they are an actual duck.

You've been given plenty of information sources and references by several respondents, which as far as I can see you simply choose to ignore.
It is not up to us to convince you. If you really wanted to know how import / export actually works worldwide for the entire planet's population (not just how you would like it to work) you would do your own research.
If you want a leg up, start here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Customs_Organization
and work downwards through the layers of detail.

mgdavid

BTW folks, for the removal of any doubt the OP is a bit unusual, shall we say. I quote from another thread -


'I'm not looking for advice on what people think might be practical, i want to know what the law is and my rights.'


Says it all for me; if anyone fancies a laugh and has a few minutes spare, a browse of the other threads may be rewarding !


Meanwhile I'm using my Ignore List...

System

mgdavid wrote: »

You've been given plenty of information sources and references by several respondents, which as far as I can see you simply choose to ignore.
It is not up to us to convince you. If you really wanted to know how import / export actually works worldwide for the entire planet's population (not just how you would like it to work) you would do your own research.
If you want a leg up, start here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Customs_Organization
and work downwards through the layers of detail.

Last I checked, wikipedia was a user edited general information source, not a legal definitions or site listing actual law.

I've done plenty of research and is why I have provided countless legal definitions in my posts.
I don't know what exactly your trying to pull here by completely misrepresenting me in this one post. perhaps hoping people will take your word for it again and not actually read my posts?

System

mgdavid wrote: »

Says it all for me; if anyone fancies a laugh and has a few minutes spare, a browse of the other threads may be rewarding !

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an ad hominem attack. real mature.


for the record, I generally start off with low knowledge of something and I learn a hell of a lot about it over time because A) I am voracious I am tenacious C) I do not think I know everything D) I have decent intelligence E) I don't take people's word for things and I research thoroughly F) I am not lazy

I'm willing to admit I don't know everything and I don't try and represent myself as some form of expert, and I won't say something without backing it up unlike some here.