Fuel Blockade

mustrum_ridcully

Well you bought this up poppycat... but I'd say the majority of the parents of these "polish children" are working and paying UK taxes & NI just like the rest of us.

Personally I'm more worried about certain groups of British people living off the dole and happily breeding away knowing that the Goverment - or rather the British (and Polish immigrant worker ) taxpayers - will just give them money.

BTW Polish (and other East European) workers are probably helping keep inflation down. Maybe petrol would be 1 or 2p more expensive if they couldn't get some polish person in cheap to do petrol deliveries or work in the petrol station...

Most things in life aren't black and white as the media would like you to believe - it's normally a shade of grey.

Hapless_2

There are currently no plans for fuel action by hauliers or farmers.

I have not heard anything from Farmers 4 Action or Transaction yet and we are members of both.

anewman

Well the farmers get so many tax breaks and subsidies on pretty much everything. Also cheap diesel. I should have gone into farming.

Conor_3

mustrum_ridcully wrote: »

Maybe petrol would be 1 or 2p more expensive if they couldn't get some polish person in cheap to do petrol deliveries

You'll not find anyone doing petrol deliveries for low wages. Haulage is one sector where the influx of Poles hasn't lowered wages as there's still not enough drivers to meet the demand.

Conor_3

Fruity1 wrote: »

He had said the other week that now is 'silly season' when they have to make more deliveries but I don't know why.

Because UK Haulage PLC is running full tilt for the next 3 weeks. In addition to that, there's the extra private car mileage spent doing Xmas shopping.

OoOGazOoO

I hope there are some blockades.

About time people took a stand rather than just accept it all the time.

globalds

I don't know why people moan so much about taxation ..
I'm quite happy to be re-informed ,but it seems the most sucesfull countries in the world ,all have fairly high taxation.
It goes hand in hand..To run a country efficiently takes a lot of admin...
Lots of people might feel like arguing the case but the proof is in the results ..America ,Japan ,Germany & Uk ...You pay a lot to live their.
Luckily for the UK most of the price of oil goes in stealth tax ...Whereas say for the USA ..That money is going straight out of the economy .

anewman

globalds wrote: »

I'm quite happy to be re-informed ,but it seems the most sucesfull countries in the world ,all have fairly high taxation.
It goes hand in hand..To run a country efficiently takes a lot of admin...

I think most people moan because it's our money and it seems the country is not run efficiently. The NHS is a mess, the HMRC lose very sensitive data, the country benefits the rich but not the poor, students have to pay fees whereas they never did before and were even given grants back then. I'm sure there's many more examples of the mismanagement of the country - and how we don't get value for money from what is statutorily taken from us.

Ok we're not like Zimbabwe but things can be a whole lot better than they are now - and most of that wouldn't take admin, it would take some politicians with common sense.

globalds

Unfortunately ..Reality says different ...Our country is by comparison run very efficiently..And this efficiency costs a lot .
I will admit I would have the NHS run differently.Any service where the cash is paid up front is inclined to protect it's cash from those annoying end users who keep drawing away profit..
Education is expensive If you think that free education would somehow reduce our combined tax burden ...?
People losing Data ...Ask the folk at MSE towers ...Being at the front edge of technology means the mistakes are learned at your expense.
It is not Political common sense ..But economic progress ..Issues so complex ..In the sense that only when you try these things out do you see the effects ripple through the entire system ..A classic example is the bailing out of Northern Rock ...The repercussions of dumping £24 Billion to cover unpayable debt is neither left or right ,labour or tory ...And I can not say whether the result is going to help or worsen either the localised problem or the economy in general ..Only time will tell...
And that is the world we live in and have done for a long time ..It's Politicians who have tried to convince people differently ...
Do you think Gordon doesn't wish for a couple of weeks of calm ...They are as much holding the Tigers tale as the rest of us ...

mustrum_ridcully

globals, taking a global perspective you are right. I was reading Bill Bryson's African diary the other day he was going on about how he driving down a dirt track that was actually marked on maps as a main road. Why, well the government were given (or gave) a lot of money for this road to be built but various local officials thought that this money would be put to far better use in their personal bank accounts rather than being spent on some silly road.

However, when you start comparing us to our neighbour - in particular our north european neighbours we start looking pretty shabby. Those are the countries we will naturally compare ourselves with, mind you the level of taxation is probably higher in those countries (something we and our media often ignore).