removing gas bbq thread

EachPenny

spadoosh wrote: »

Ermhhh considering thousands upiong thousands of regulators are sold every year with the intention of them being sealed using the exact same method i would say it was a good suggestion. Its certainly better than yours anyway, isnt it? Unless of course you have information suggesting the tried and tested way of attaching a hose to a gas regulator doesnt work?

It might be a good suggestion to make to someone who was competent to do gas fitting modification. But if that were the case they'd be unlikely to be asking random strangers on the internet for help.

The OP (with no disrespect intended) appears to be unable to undo a gas nut. That alone should be enough for them to follow the advice I've given and buy the right kind of BBQ.

thelawnet

Looks like a standard pressure hose to me. The nut on it (that screws into the BBQ end) should come undone with an adjustable spanner. Might need to grip the valve with a vice or another adjustable spanner if it's tight.

I think this is the issue - wrong kind of tool. I had a go with a normal spanner but it was a cheap one from a washing machine or something, the metal just bent. Plus the valve was not secured to anything so it makes it almost impossible to turn it.

spadoosh

EachPenny wrote: »

It might be a good suggestion to make to someone who was competent to do gas fitting modification. But if that were the case they'd be unlikely to be asking random strangers on the internet for help.

The OP (with no disrespect intended) appears to be unable to undo a gas nut. That alone should be enough for them to follow the advice I've given and buy the right kind of BBQ.

Lol.

Op sorry i gave the wrong advice.

You cant do anything, you need to be gas safe registered to attach a gas hose to a regulator with a jubilee clip. Maybe look up in the yellow pages for BBQ gas pipe modifiers, make sure theyre gas safe of course.

EachPenny

spadoosh wrote: »

You cant do anything, you need to be gas safe registered to attach a gas hose to a regulator with a jubilee clip. Maybe look up in the yellow pages for BBQ gas pipe modifiers, make sure theyre gas safe of course.

Who said anything about 'gas safe'? I just said 'competent'.

If it doesn't occur to someone that making a jubilee clip connection is a possible way of solving the problem then it is unlikely they are 'competent' to safely make that kind of connection.

You are offering advice to someone who is playing around with flammable gas, it isn't something to use bodge techniques on, especially if the person involved is possibly unaware of some of the basics of gas work and is saying they are unable to undo a simple gas nut. (If you cannot undo a nut properly, then how likely are you to fit a jubilee clip correctly :think: )

Gloomendoom

The first thing I would check is that the gas outlet pressures from the two regulators are the same.

spadoosh

EachPenny wrote: »

Who said anything about 'gas safe'? I just said 'competent'.

If it doesn't occur to someone that making a jubilee clip connection is a possible way of solving the problem then it is unlikely they are 'competent' to safely make that kind of connection.

You are offering advice to someone who is playing around with flammable gas, it isn't something to use bodge techniques on, especially if the person involved is possibly unaware of some of the basics of gas work and is saying they are unable to undo a simple gas nut. (If you cannot undo a nut properly, then how likely are you to fit a jubilee clip correctly :think: )

Ok then OP, you need to go to university to ensure you can use a screwdriver effectively?

Youre being riddiculous mentioning it might be illegal (for what its worth there no laws saying you cant cut and alter your pipe length, otherwise they would all be fixed length which they arent) and things like the correct mixes of gasses. Outdoor gas for food is a propane butane mix, the cannisters they buy will be a propane butane mix, when filling out the form for calor theyll tick its for a bbq and be given either a small or large calor bottle depending on which they want. That will be a 'patio' bottle which is a propane butane mix.

I cant actually see the nut properly so didnt want to make assumption as to the reasoning it wouldnt come undone. Although from your say so its clear that the OP is incompetent as they are unable to do it and as such shouldnt.

Out of curiousity if someone asked for the quickest way to get somewhere and that happened to be by driving would you be asking them for their driving licence number before giving them that advice? Or would you say driving and allow them to determine whether they are capable fo doing that or not?

Best way of cleaning the floor? Bleach, but then they might be a acid attacker or mentally unable to handle using bleach.

Cutlery knives, you put your warnings on them?

EachPenny

spadoosh wrote: »

Ok then OP, you need to go to university to ensure you can use a screwdriver effectively?

No need for university. A CSE (or possibly a GCSE) in Metalwork would have given them the required knowledge. Out of curiosity, do you have a CSE (or above) in Metalwork?

spadoosh wrote: »

Youre being riddiculous mentioning it might be illegal (for what its worth there no laws saying you cant cut and alter your pipe length, otherwise they would all be fixed length which they arent).....

You are misquoting me. I said "Attempting to modify gas-fuelled equipment is highly dangerous (and possibly illegal) unless you know exactly what you are doing". The modification of some gas-fuelled equipment by unauthorised people is illegal. As the statement was made in general terms I didn't specify which equipment was and wasn't covered. Do you disagree with the statement I made? (rather than your version of it)

spadoosh wrote: »

...and things like the correct mixes of gasses. Outdoor gas for food is a propane butane mix, the cannisters they buy will be a propane butane mix, when filling out the form for calor theyll tick its for a bbq and be given either a small or large calor bottle depending on which they want. That will be a 'patio' bottle which is a propane butane mix.

I defer to your psychic powers. As the OP doesn't state the kind of gas in the "canisters", nor the kind of gas they intend to purchase, you are guessing at what they plan to do. Guessing with gas can be lethal.

The red colouration of the regulator the OP has purchased indicates it is for use with Propane. Why are you so sure this is suitable for "a propane butane mix" the OP's BBQ was designed for?

You might also want to check what a bottle of Calor 'Patio' gas actually contains before you start offering safety-critical advice to other forum members.

spadoosh wrote: »

I cant actually see the nut properly so didnt want to make assumption as to the reasoning it wouldnt come undone. Although from your say so its clear that the OP is incompetent as they are unable to do it and as such shouldnt.

So you offered advice without even being able to see the problem the OP was having? Shocking.

spadoosh wrote: »

Out of curiousity if someone asked for the quickest way to get somewhere and that happened to be by driving would you be asking them for their driving licence number before giving them that advice? Or would you say driving and allow them to determine whether they are capable fo doing that or not?

Perhaps more relevant to the situation, if someone happened to driving the wrong way down a one-way road, stopped to ask for directions, and clearly didn't know what they were doing, I'd be inclined to try and get the keys off them and call the police. What would you do?

spadoosh wrote: »

Best way of cleaning the floor? Bleach, but then they might be a acid attacker or mentally unable to handle using bleach.

Cutlery knives, you put your warnings on them?

Well that is just silly. And perhaps indicates the level of confidence the OP should attach to your advice.

EachPenny

thelawnet wrote: »

I think this is the issue - wrong kind of tool. I had a go with a normal spanner but it was a cheap one from a washing machine or something, the metal just bent. Plus the valve was not secured to anything so it makes it almost impossible to turn it.

You shouldn't need to use an adjustable spanner to undo a gas fitting. If it has been tightened to the point you've damaged a metal spanner (even a cheap one from a washing machine) then there is a risk the nut, fitting, or washer (if used) will have been damaged and no longer able to provide a safe gas-tight connection.

The spanners sold to consumers for connecting gas bottles are deliberately made 'short' to reduce the risk of similar over-tightening.

getmore4less

Most BBQ you can use either Butane or propane with the coorect regulator.

propane is better if you want to use all year round.

I have gone for the biger 19kg cylinders rather than the small sizes that use clip on.

Calor is expensive

last time I looked this place was the cheapest

https://gasdeal.co.uk/

When I got mine there was no deposit on new.

Get a regulator with a gauge you can tell if there are any leaks down stream of the regulator.

I got this one.
https://huddersfield-gas.co.uk/product/igt-propane-gas-regulator-gauge-conversion-kit-for-most-weber-q-lp-models/

spadoosh

EachPenny wrote: »

No need for university. A CSE (or possibly a GCSE) in Metalwork would have given them the required knowledge. Out of curiosity, do you have a CSE (or above) in Metalwork?

You are misquoting me. I said "Attempting to modify gas-fuelled equipment is highly dangerous (and possibly illegal) unless you know exactly what you are doing". The modification of some gas-fuelled equipment by unauthorised people is illegal. As the statement was made in general terms I didn't specify which equipment was and wasn't covered. Do you disagree with the statement I made? (rather than your version of it)

I defer to your psychic powers. As the OP doesn't state the kind of gas in the "canisters", nor the kind of gas they intend to purchase, you are guessing at what they plan to do. Guessing with gas can be lethal.

The red colouration of the regulator the OP has purchased indicates it is for use with Propane. Why are you so sure this is suitable for "a propane butane mix" the OP's BBQ was designed for?

You might also want to check what a bottle of Calor 'Patio' gas actually contains before you start offering safety-critical advice to other forum members.

So you offered advice without even being able to see the problem the OP was having? Shocking.

Perhaps more relevant to the situation, if someone happened to driving the wrong way down a one-way road, stopped to ask for directions, and clearly didn't know what they were doing, I'd be inclined to try and get the keys off them and call the police. What would you do?

Well that is just silly. And perhaps indicates the level of confidence the OP should attach to your advice.

The only thing youve tried to do is question mine and the OPs credibility.

Youve yet to state how buying a hose connector and fastening to the hose with a jubilee clip either side is either illegal or unsafe. You determined the OP isnt competent. Your only evidence of this is them not being able to get a nut undone.

CSE finished before i even started school.

My knowledge comes from spending 10 years working at B&Q selling hundreds of BBQ's, building hundreds and inevitably being the person who had to deal with making the customer existing arrangement fit with their new BBQ. I couldve swore though that the calor bottle we sold where a propane butane mix, definitely got that wrong. Not that it matters though as you point out the regulators dictate if itll connect or not and every bbq gas burner ive ever comes acroos is more than capable of burning either propane or butane.


Youre being particularly anal. Whilst great for procastinating and giving people jobs they dont really need its at the detriment of getting things done and peoples intellect. Give a man a fish and all that.