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Umkomaas

I have won both IAS appeals as UKCPS did drop both cases immediately, due to mitigating circumstances and the fact that I have noted the wording error, calling their invoices Penalty Charge Notices.

Please clarify - are the tickets you are now dealing with different to the above or are they the very same tickets?

Largenton

Umkomaas wrote: »

Who printed the permits? Are they issued under the gym's name?

The permits are issued by the gym. However, the gym is not liable for ensuring the wording is correct (this is the responsibility of UKCPS according to IPCs Code of Practice Section 11). However, it is clear from my previous appeals that these terms of use are used by UKCPS. Like I have already stated too, I have mentioned in previous appeals that this wording has been pointed out too, appeals that UKCPS accepted through IAS.

Redx

Largenton wrote: »

RedX, on the full terms of use stated on the permit (which UKCPS have referred to in their invoices), it is stated that any violation of terms of use and a Penalty Charge Notice will be issued. This is against IPC's Code of Practice under Section 11. They have not issued me with a Penalty Charge Notice, but a Parking Charge Notice, which is not mentioned in these terms of use. Thank you however for all the information.

yes, I understand that, now that you have mentioned that NETWORK RAIL own the land , this was the clue that lit up my lightbulb due to RAILWAY car park threads coming up regularly on here and over on pepipoo , plus LJLA and RHA and Newcastle airports etc

in essence this is really no different than the INDIGO and APCOA and NCP ones we see at rail station car parks

the TOC should issue the PENALTY notices and take you to MAGS COURT using the bylaws, but the parking company are misrepresenting them as PARKING charge notices and raking it in from those who are paying , and dropping the charges (or having them cancelled by the IAS) for those who appeal as you are doing

its a sc@m and we see it more on STATION car parks, airports and ports etc

UKCPS are using smoke and mirrors on this scenario to milk those who pay up and drop out on those like you who fightback

its a sc@m and a lucrative one for them all to perpetrate, and nobody is stopping them , until the MP,s do something about it, it wont stop


https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2017-19/parkingcodeofpractice.html

its just that your case is unusual as we rarely see cases like yours where NR land is involved , they tend to be station car parks

Largenton

Umkomaas wrote: »

Please clarify - are the tickets you are now dealing with different to the above or are they the very same tickets?

No these are separate incidents. I have had 5 incidents with UKCPS. One where I caught the parking attendant writing my car details down when the gym had no permits to sell (this was dropped on the spot, although he insisted that the gym had got permits). The second was when my pen ran out and I could not put a date on my permit. This I filled out later and showed to UKCPS which required an appeal to IAS to be accepted. Third was when I put the wrong date due to a bad short term memory which is a symptom of my dyslexia. This was again requiring a second appeal to IAS.

Redx

I suggest you complain to your local MP and copy in Sir Greg Knight and appraise him of this sc@m and liken it to the rail station car park sc@ms of a similar mispresentative nature

Largenton

Redx wrote: »

yes, I understand that, now that you have mentioned that NETWORK RAIL own the land , this was the clue that lit up my lightbulb due to RAILWAY car park threads coming up regularly on here and over on pepipoo , plus LJLA and RHA and Newcastle airports etc

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its just that your case is unusual as we rarely see cases like yours where NR land is involved , they tend to be station car parks

If it is any help, the gym is the Railway Institute in York, hence why the unusual case and why it is run by NR. But thanks once again for the information.

Redx

yep, yours is an unusual case , due to the NR ownership and presumably bylaws applying which is why only PENALTY charge notices can be issued by the TOC (but wont be issued at all), it wont go to MAGS COURT within 6 months and most people will just pay up as they dont know the difference when UKCPS issue a PENALTY charge notice and so cannot take it to a civil court using MCOL

by all means complain to the IPC about the IPC CoP breach, but also mention that you are copying in your local MP and Sir Greg Knight about this sc@m , where UKCPS are misrepresenting the invoices (which is what they are)

its probably a good earner for UKCPS and nobody is doing anything about it

you can read recent INDIGO threads about ITAL to see how its panning out on the RAILWAY STATION issues, for comparison

your thread is extremely interesting as it highlights yet another version of this bylaws sc@m that UKCPS have tapped into

Largenton

I think I will definitely send some letters. I will also copy them in when I send them.

Redx

you can email the MP,s , they all have them


you can also complain to the DVLA about your details being incorrectly accessed by UKCPS if they are allowing them under PARKING charge options under KADOE when it should be the TOC under PENALTY notices. it may be worth emailing them a SAR request first, to get the details on when your details have been accessed, as this could be grounds for an ICO complaint

Umkomaas

you can email the MP,s , they all have them

https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/