Speeding ticket impossibly issued.

Grandfatman

Hello everyone.

First time poster here. I have a unique situation that I'm asking of in behalf of a friend who is a cab driver.

Has a ticket issued where the car physically couldn't have been at that location (proven by booking records taken with GPS stamps)

He would have 58 minutes to get to the speed camera itself which is well over a 1hr 40 min drive from the location of his last job.

How would he proceed with the forms? Does he admit he was the driver of said vehicle first then take it to court? Or is there another possibly route of tackling the situation? The registration number is correct. But the cR physically couldn't have been at the speed camera at the alleged time and date of the offence, unless it can teleport, which I don't think they have implemented that into those particular cars right now.

Thanks in advance.

esuhl

Criminals look for cars matching their own model, note down the number plate, and get a copy made for their car.


I'm not sure what the official process is, but there must be some way to deny the offence. Hopefully someone else can advise...

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Grandfatman wrote: »

The registration number is correct.

The ticket office have confirmed this when he 'phoned them?
There is a photograph showing the correct reg?


Or the registration on the NIP/S172 is his- which it will be if the NIP is addressed to him, whether it is a misread 'plate or not.




Usually if it is a misread plate a phone call to the ticket office will sort it, but you must get them to write to you and cancel the S172 request.

Grandfatman

That was my initial thought. Cloned plates. But it's a sign written taxi. It was a variable speed cMera too so I don't think there would be photo evidence.

But the issue I came to with cloned plates is, it's a one time thing. It's usually more than that, a string of speeding offences etc. The taxi does pass that speed camera every now and then. And was in the location of the camera a week later and at a completley different time of day. Things just don't add up.

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Wait until 14 days have elapsed from the date that it could have been the car, then a bemused 'phone call to the ticket office asking them to check they have the correct vehicle as it is a sign written taxi and could not have been in that location at that time is in order.


If they have the wrong date, it will be too late to issue a new NIP. If they have the wrong vehicle, they should drop it.


If they are adamant that they have the right vehicle (there will be a photograph) then go to peppipoo for advice, but make sure it is well within the 28 days as you have to respond to the S172 in that time or face more serious charges than speeding.

Grandfatman

The registration on the letter was correct.

EssexExile

I returned my NIP with a covering letter explaining why it couldn't have been me. They checked & had misread the number. They even phoned & apologised.

Nearly_Old

Grandfatman wrote: »

That was my initial thought. Cloned plates. But it's a sign written taxi. It was a variable speed cMera too so I don't think there would be photo evidence.

But the issue I came to with cloned plates is, it's a one time thing. It's usually more than that, a string of speeding offences etc. The taxi does pass that speed camera every now and then. And was in the location of the camera a week later and at a completley different time of day. Things just don't add up.

When triggered a motorway variable speed camera produces 2 photographs: 1) one showing the vehicle that is exceeding the displayed limit; and 2) another one taken by a linked camera upstream of the gantry showing the actual limit shown on the signs at the time of the offence.


One HADECS3 camera on the nearside gantry leg can cover up to 5 lanes. To date there doesn't appear to have been many (any?) successful challenges to the camera evidence except for clear cases of misread number plates or actual cloned plates.


If the date of the offence is incorrectly shown on the S172 this can be simply be corrected and in general this is not an issue which would automatically lead to the offence being cancelled.

casseus

On the S172 letter, it may state a number and person of contact for photo's etc, he can call it and ask if he can have this photo evidence to assist him in ID the driver, this will then help ID the car and you will be able to tell if it was definitely him and he is mistaken in his evidence, or that his plate has been cloned.






If he has a S172 notice it Is asking for the name of the driver at time of the alleged offence this MUST be complied with or a potential 6 points is looming for failure to furnish so don't ignore this step, unless he has specifically been told its cancelled by the ticketing department who issued it.


If Nip, follow the same advice, ask for evidence to assist driver ID, if it not him from the evidence, then call the ticket office and have a chat, it may end up being cancelled if what is said is potentially true. If the police don't believe, then he has options to plea not guilty or plea guilty if he eligible for a course they will write to him and offer one if he hasn't attended on in the last 3 yrs. But do ask him to go over to Pepipoo for better more informed advice they specialise in this stuff for a living some of them.

wgl2014

Grandfatman wrote: »

The registration on the letter was correct.

That isn't the issue. If it's a plate misread it's what is on their photos that matters, if it's a cloned plate it's what the car that has been caught looks like that matters.

As already mentioned your friend needs to phone up and ask.

Nearly_Old

facade wrote: »

Wait until 14 days have elapsed from the date that it could have been the car, then a bemused 'phone call to the ticket office asking them to check they have the correct vehicle as it is a sign written taxi and could not have been in that location at that time is in order.


If they have the wrong date, it will be too late to issue a new NIP. If they have the wrong vehicle, they should drop it.


If they are adamant that they have the right vehicle (there will be a photograph) then go to peppipoo for advice, but make sure it is well within the 28 days as you have to respond to the S172 in that time or face more serious charges than speeding.

Not always the case as there are adminstration procedures for correcting simple clerical errors. Therefore an incorrect date on the original S172, or a wrong letter/number in the registration can simply be changed and does not invalidate the original S172. At this stage no NIP has been served as the identity of the driver is not known.


The original S172 appears to have been served to the RK within the prescribed time, next the S172 is returned to confirm the details of the driver and then the "real" NIP can be issued to the driver.