Yellow jacket freedom fighters spreading to London

Sapphire

jonnygee2 wrote: »

No doubt you are from the privileged middle classes though, given you believe poor people should move out to make way for the rich, who are apparently 'entitled' to take over their communities.

:rotfl: :T Thanks for the laughs.

For your information, far from being from 'the privileged middle classes', my parents and grandparents were given political asylum in this country. They'd lost everything material, as well as members of their families. They started off in tiny flats, where several children were packed into tiny rooms (bunk beds and ones that opened out), with no central heating or even hot water. Any child benefit was tiny, and my mother did piece work at home sticking stones in jewellery late into the night. Added to this was the PTSD that my parents suffered from, which wasn't even recognised by the medical profession – such a condition affects all the people close to the sufferers.

For myself, I didn't go to university initially, left school at 17 and happily did many different low-paid jobs until I hit upon one that I was really interested in and developed into a career. Later on I did do a degree, but I paid for it myself.

And when did I say that I 'believe poor people should move out to make way for the rich'? I merely gave my own example of how I coped with lack of affordability in London. To quote: 'Best to see if you can better yourself, then move back to London when you can afford it, as I did (first of all buying just a bedsitter in an inexpensive area).'

It's never a good idea to make presumptions about people, or to try to attribute words to them that they did not utter.

ManofLeisure_2

What I find disappointing is that so many posters believe that those ''who they perceive as wealthy'', were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. It just simply is not true.

jonnygee2

It's never a good idea to make presumptions about people

Like you did, you mean, when you told me I couldn't afford to live in London, wasn't 'entitled' to do so, and should 'better myself' as you did? And then you wonder how you managed to hit a nerve?

The point is you assumed I was poorer than you and then arrogantly told me what I needed to do to be 'entotled' to live in the same city you live in.

I'm surprised someone as elitist as you grew up in poverty to be honest.

kabayiri

jonnygee2 wrote: »

Like you did, you mean, when you told me I couldn't afford to live in London, wasn't 'entitled' to do so, and should 'better myself' as you did? And then you wonder how you managed to hit a nerve?
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There aint no entitlement, just a direction of travel which makes it hard.

London will have 2 million more new arrivals by mid 20's according to ONS predictions.

Unsurprisingly, pretty much all of those will want somewhere to live.

Your parents probably grew up in an era when London was shrinking, but these things go in cycles.

StevieJ

Sapphire wrote: »

:rotfl: :T Thanks for the laughs.

For your information, far from being from 'the privileged middle classes', my parents and grandparents were given political asylum in this country. They'd lost everything material, as well as members of their families. .

Just out of interest, what is your view on the UK accepting Political asylum seekers at the moment say from Syria, Afghanistan or Iraq?

MobileSaver

jonnygee2 wrote: »

Thing is, my family have always lived in the East End. I grew up here, I have family and friends in the area. I volunteer in the community. Really, I think all these people who think you can just move anywhere, regardless of where your family and friends live,

That's fine but you can't have it all ways. You are no more entitled to live forever in the East End than anyone else is entitled to live wherever they happened to be born. The population is steadily increasing at a greater rate than the number of properties available; by your reckoning if you or your neighbour have five kids then all five should be entitled to live in the East End forever and similarly their kids etc... it's obviously not sustainable.

jonnygee2 wrote: »

It shouldn't be an expensive area though, that's my point.

You were born in and we live in a market economy; the most fundamental aspect of which is supply and demand, if more people want to live there then the price goes up.

jonnygee2 wrote: »

I don't really appreciate being told me and my family aren't 'entitled' to live here.

But you're not entitled to live there, it's a simple fact.

jonnygee2 wrote: »

I just think they should build more affordable houses in this area.

Again your proposition is fundamentally flawed. Take someone who was born and raised in SW1 where the average property is around £2 million... you seem to be suggesting they should be entitled to live there forever and if they fall on hard times the local council should step in and somehow build an affordable home in SW1; it's obviously ridiculous.

AG47

kabayiri wrote: »

You could argue that the Yellow Jackets are taking responsibility for their own actions.

If you go out on the streets, you accept the risks that come with it.

It's not so much the type of protest which will worry authorities, but the scale. Something like 65,000 of the 90,000+ French police will be deployed to deal with these riots.

It really doesn't leave much left to deal with all the other crime which happens on a daily basis.

The narrative has been changed and the main stream media is trying to change the truth.

The truth is its all about the banks and global financial crisis.

The police actually are hardworking men with families themselves, there was that one case in France where the police stood in solidarity with the yellow jackets.

The firemen also stood with the yellow jackets, and turned their backs on the government and the banks

AG47

Sapphire wrote: »

Evidence of this?

And where would 'a million affordable homes' be built, or how would they be 'added to the supply'?

I agree that BTL should never have been promoted and allowed to develop in the way it did, and that property companies and investors (especially mega-rich ones) should not have the power they do. But there are many people in their twenties and thirties who have 'property portfolios'. Is it expected that they will join in these momentum marches?

If immigration is not cut down drastically the problems will only escalate. Funny that these momentum supporters do not see this as a problem, but try to blame it on their elders (perhaps they favour the Khmer Rouge solution?). There is a finite amount of space in London, and penalising the elderly, especially those who have worked hard all their lives and paid taxes (and often are still paying them) is no solution.

If you want to know about overcrowding, read about conditions in the fifties and sixties, when many families lived in tiny, cramped rented accommodation. No one even wanted to live in London then. Better still, read about Victorian and Georgian times, when there were also population explosions and people lived two or three families to a run-down house, or even better, lived on the streets. Then see if your statement that the housing situation has 'never been as bad' holds water.

The uk is over 90% unused land, that includes river roads and built up areas.

The government could easily decide to add a million homes and supporting infrastructure (schools,shops etc) every year over the next ten years.

Another ten million affordable home would certainly help with the housing crisis.

Look at Japan it's about the same size as the UK with over twice the population and still about 90% unused land

ukcarper

AG47 wrote: »

The uk is over 90% unused land, that includes river roads and built up areas.

The government could easily decide to add a million homes and supporting infrastructure (schools,shops etc) every year over the next ten years.

Another ten million affordable home would certainly help with the housing crisis.

Look at Japan it's about the same size as the UK with over twice the population and still about 90% unused land

How would that help people in London.

AG47

ukcarper wrote: »

How would that help people in London.

It will help the housing crisis. Not nessasarily London.

This is what the yellow vest protest in the UK is all about.

The majority are unhappy about high housing costs, and not enough houses are being built every year