Exchange now or after brexit plan is finalised?

AdrianC

Crashy_Time wrote: »

So, to go back to your original point, that Brexit wasn`t "possible"? how does anything you are saying relate to Brexit not being "possible"?

Well, that complete and utter change of subject is as close to an acceptance of being wrong that we'll ever get from you, isn't it?

Here's another clue: After nearly half a century of the economy taking full advantage of the single market, how are you going to put that cat back in the bag in a massively more global marketplace than was ever the case before?

Do you actually remember the UK in the 1970s? Pre-membership was going well for the economy, wasn't it?

The UK through the entire post-war period was limping along, reflecting on "past glories" (exploiting the rapidly-disintegrating empire). It came to a head in the damn-near-bankruptcy of the early 70s. Acceptance of the fact that we're part of the European continent is what turned the country around.

"Fog in channel, continent cut off" might be apocryphal, but the xenophobic, isolationist mindset behind it is very real - and alive and well.

Crashy_Time

AdrianC wrote: »

Well, that complete and utter change of subject is as close to an acceptance of being wrong that we'll ever get from you, isn't it?

Here's another clue: After nearly half a century of the economy taking full advantage of the single market, how are you going to put that cat back in the bag in a massively more global marketplace than was ever the case before?

Do you actually remember the UK in the 1970s? Pre-membership was going well for the economy, wasn't it?

The UK through the entire post-war period was limping along, reflecting on "past glories" (exploiting the rapidly-disintegrating empire). It came to a head in the damn-near-bankruptcy of the early 70s. Acceptance of the fact that we're part of the European continent is what turned the country around.

"Fog in channel, continent cut off" might be apocryphal, but the xenophobic, isolationist mindset behind it is very real - and alive and well.

We still have not heard why Brexit is "impossible"...:)

AdrianC

Crashy_Time wrote: »

We still have not heard why Brexit is "impossible"...:)

Think back two and a half years... To when we were all promised £350/wk for the NHS and "the easiest deal in the world".

That's working out well, isn't it?


The voting slips were barely in the bin bags before St Nigel of the Farridge admitted the £350m figure was, indeed, actually a lie, and not just "project fear".

Strange how so much of "project fear" is now blatantly obviously reality to all bar the religious zealots. Hmm. Does that remind you of anything, Crashy?

Crashy_Time

AdrianC wrote: »

Think back two and a half years... To when we were all promised £350/wk for the NHS and "the easiest deal in the world".

That's working out well, isn't it?


The voting slips were barely in the bin bags before St Nigel of the Farridge admitted the £350m figure was, indeed, actually a lie, and not just "project fear".

Strange how so much of "project fear" is now blatantly obviously reality to all bar the religious zealots. Hmm. Does that remind you of anything, Crashy?

So why did May chicken out of a vote on a deal that MP`s should obviously back, because it keeps us under the wing of the EU, and go back their constituencies (now desperate to stay in as they have seen the "reality" ) saying "Don`t worry, we won`t really be leaving"?

Thrugelmir

AdrianC wrote: »

Here's another clue: After nearly half a century of the economy taking full advantage of the single market, how are you going to put that cat back in the bag in a massively more global marketplace than was ever the case before?

Single market and globalisation are two entirely different matters. It's globalisation that has undermined the single market. Europe as a whole has now become service orientated. Manufacturing per se is heading East. That's where the growth markets are.

AdrianC

Crashy_Time wrote: »

So why did May chicken out of a vote on a deal that MP`s should obviously back, because it keeps us under the wing of the EU, and go back their constituencies (now desperate to stay in as they have seen the "reality" ) saying "Don`t worry, we won`t really be leaving"?

You mean the deal that she was obviously going to lose by a massive margin, that nobody on either side wanted?


The only deal that was managed in two and a half years of negotiations, mostly under the aegis of two of the most ardent brexiteers?

May made her own bed when she drew the "red lines". The deal she drew up was about the closest to a good one possible, (mostly) within them.

AdrianC

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Single market and globalisation are two entirely different matters.

Yes, they are.

It's globalisation that has undermined the single market. Europe as a whole has now become service orientated. Manufacturing per se is heading East.

Some is. Mostly low-value manufacturing. Is the UK's strength in labour-heavy cheap-and-cheerful? Should it be...?

Manufacturing is still 10% of the UK's GDP, 8% of UK jobs, and 44% of UK exports, together with 70% of UK R&D investment. Has it declined? Yes, of course. In 1970, it was 27% of GDP. Even half a century ago, damn near 3/4 of the UK economy was outside manufacturing...

It's 14% of EU GDP, and 14% of EU jobs, together with 42% of EU exports. The EU as a whole exports ~€285bn/year more manufactured goods than it imports - and that gap's widening - 15yrs ago, it was only just over €100bn.

That's where the growth markets are.

Perhaps. But 45% of UK exports currently go to the EU27. Remember, once the UK's outside the single market and subject to tariffs on import to the EU27, then they'll be on the back foot competing with suppliers within the EU27. And many of the UK's manufacturers already have supply bases inside, too - so why not simply shift production?

North of 50% of our imports come from the EU. About 18% of EU27 exports (as a whole) come to the UK. If you include intra-EU exports, that's as low as about 7%.

As with every other neighbour dispute, shouldn't we be taking the EU27 tea and cake and trying to make up, not trying to escalate divisions...?

k3caz

Im about to upgrade and exchange on a new house, my idea is nobody knows whats going to happen, hell i could walk to work and get knocked down and killed, at least the wife and kids would still get the house because of my life insurance payout. If you want a house my opinion is buy it, life is short enough as it is, whats the worse than can happen, you loose 30% of the price, do you still love the house.. Yes, do you want to move... No.. Get a fixed rate for a longer period and pay more off than the default payment. Cut down on luxuries if things get tight. But this is my outlook others may disagree...

lisyloo

Sounds good to me k3caz FWIW.


I am getting near to exchange (only selling) and hoping none of the other parties get cold feet (it's late in the day but the fat lady hasn't sung yet).

Crashy_Time

AdrianC wrote: »

You mean the deal that she was obviously going to lose by a massive margin, that nobody on either side wanted?


The only deal that was managed in two and a half years of negotiations, mostly under the aegis of two of the most ardent brexiteers?

May made her own bed when she drew the "red lines". The deal she drew up was about the closest to a good one possible, (mostly) within them.

None of that means that "Project Fear" was right about anything, or everything as you said in your previous post, it just means that May isn`t fit to deliver Brexit to parliament and the country and needs to stand down.