UKCPM Ticket- residential space

jack_miers

Hi there,

8 days ago I received a parking Invoice from UKCPM on my windscreen for parking in my allocated space without a permit. On this occasion my permit was NOT on display and the pictures they have support this. However... to gain access to my allocated space ( my apartment number is written on the floor) you must have a plastic security fob to open the gates. After using this fob you are then able to gain access.

Anyway, I appealed and have not heard back yet but I am not expecting any luck. I would like to point out I was in a company car at the time of the offence, I am not the registered owner, my company is.

What should I do? Should I wait it out and ignore the bailiff letters that I read so many forum members have received?- I am worried that somehow it could go to court and then i get clobbered with something worse.

Or should i pay the £60.00. I have read that it's all abit of a scam and i would rather not pay if I don't have to, after all it's my space and you can't get into it without my fob!

Many thanks in advance...


Jack

NeilCr

So.

What does your lease/tenancy agreement say about your allocated space? Any clauses about parking in it - or a catch all about introducing such regulations as freeholder/MA see fit for the smooth running of the estate?

Is there a freeholder or a residents Management Company

Is the security gate just for your space or the car park as a whole? If it's the car park fobs are not infallible. People use them to let their friends /relatives in and it's been known for ex residents to retain theirs!

jack_miers

Thanks Neil,

My tenancy company sub contracted the parking out to UKCPM. They have washed their hands of it completely unfortunately. The car park is on private land. There is a residents management company, I have not contacted them as they did send a letter round approx 3 months ago saying they have given the car park of UKCPM to manage- Hence why i have not contacted them. Although after your reply I think I will send them an email nevertheless.

The gate is for the car park as a whole, but indeed car park fobs are not infallible, I just thought i would add it in there as it does make it a little harder to park.

There are no visitors spaces just allocated ones to each apartment and each one is occupied, so only the resident can really park there.


Cheers Jack

Le_Kirk

Before the car parking was handed over to UKPCM was a vote of residents taken and did more than 75% agree and not more than 10% disagree?
If it is a company car, speak/write to the company and make sure they don't pay it on your behalf. Tell them to advise the parking company that you are the day-to-day keeper and you will defend.

jack_miers

Hi Le,

Unsure as i moved in two weeks after the management was handed over, so i couldn't comment on the percentage who agreed/ disagreed, or if it was even put to the tenants for vote.

Le_Kirk

jack_miers wrote: »

Hi Le,

Unsure as i moved in two weeks after the management was handed over, so i couldn't comment on the percentage who agreed/ disagreed, or if it was even put to the tenants for vote.

There must be minutes of management company meetings or tenants association perhaps OR just ask around.

The_Slithy_Tove

jack_miers wrote: »

My tenancy company sub contracted the parking out to UKCPM. They have washed their hands of it completely unfortunately.

That is a contradiction. Subcontracting a service does not allow you to absolve all responsibility. TELL them that the actions of their contractor is THEIR responsibility and THEY are liable for that contractor's actions.

jack_miers

Hi,

I will send an email, although i'm sure they will just tell me to take it up with UKCPM. I say sub contract- I just mean they have given the car park for UKCPM to manage.
I was wondering weather i have a leg to stand on, and if i should just pay the £60 as i have read a few people have ended up going to court with UKCPM- which I want to avoid.

The_Deep

They cannot do that, they are responsible in law fior their poodle's actions. Read this

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5927955

It is the will of Parliament that these scammers be put out of business. Hopefully that will take place in the near future. The Bill has passed through the HOC without hitch, and goes to the Lords soon. In the meantime involve your MP, the poor dears are buckling under the weight of complaints about these scammers. Read this one which I wrote earlier

This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of alleged contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors. Is has been suggested by an MP that some of these companies may have connections to organised crime.

Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, (especially Smart}, and others have already been named and shamed in the House of Commons as have Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each week), hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned. They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

The problem has become so widespread that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers.

Sir Greg Knight's Private Members Bill to curb the excesses, and perhaps close down, some of these companies passed its Third Reading in late November, and, with a fair wind, will become Law next year.

All three readings are available to watch on the internet, (some 6-7 hours), and published in Hansard. MPs have an extremely low opinion of the industry. Many are complaining that they are becoming overwhelmed by complaints from members of the public. Add to their burden, complain in the most robust terms about the scammers.

Half_way

tell then that they are jointly liable for the actions of thier agents and as a result could be liable for any costs/expenses that you run up as a result of their agents actions, plus is there is a breech of the GDPR regulations by their agents then the person in charge of the management company, or the person responsible for allowing the parking company to operate, could, under the GDPR regulations, be held personally liable for any/all costs

jack_miers

Thanks for this,

I will email my management company (of the apartment) and see what they say... If they wash their hands of it what would be my next move? im concious the price goes upto £100 in the next 4 days...:mad: