Multiple PCNs expected

SeaHaven

Hi - new to the forum, and cannot find an example of this problem, but I apologise if I am duplicating the issue unnecessarily - I will be happy to be redirected to a suitable Thread.
The Keeper received 2 PCN/NTKs in relation to stopping in a private site that is open to the public 24/7, with businesses operating from 3 separate areas of the land. The PPC states in the PCNs that ANPR was used on each occasion to record parking. The Keeper's circumstance is that they expect several more PCNs to be sent as the Driver had not realised that enforcement had commenced at the site, despite using the same location under similar circumstances for a number of years.
The Driver waited to pick someone up. Hence, until receipt of the first PCN, some 18 days after the first alleged infraction, the Driver continued to wait briefly on the site to collect that person. The Driver would not have returned to the site had they realised that enforcement of any kind was actually in operation.
I currently need to know what action the Keeper should take concerning each PCN as it arrives. The PPC appears to be a member of IPC, the PCN is postal, and the ID of the vehicle has been identified via ANPR.
I have read through the Code of Practice and there are several examples of how the PPC has breached the Code, but having read several threads, this does not appear to be the right stage to offer any form of defence to the 'allegation'.
I would be very grateful for advice on how to respond now - to each PCN as it arrives, or to wait for the last to arrive and respond to all PCNs in one letter?
Thank you so much for your assistance.

KeithP

SeaHaven wrote: »

I would be very grateful for advice on how to respond now - to each PCN as it arrives, or to wait for the last to arrive and respond to all PCNs in one letter? After all, the PPC have the same registered keeper names and address in all cases.

Respond to each PCN individually as it arrives.

Respond using the already written for you blue text appeal template that you will find when you read post #1 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread.

Send it unchanged - no additions or alterations necessary.

Send it as the keeper.

Fruitcake

Edit your post NOW to remove all information about who did what. Only ever refer to The Driver and The Keeper, who are two different people.

The Driver used the site regularly.
The Driver waited to pick someone up.
The Keeper got a PCN/NTK through the post.

What is the name of the PPC please?

SeaHaven

Thanks KeithP and Fruitcake - post edited - please let me know if sufficiently!

The PPC is UKCPM.

Redx

just be aware that no matter what is said, UKCPM will NOT, repeat NOT cancel these tickets on appeal

by all means appeal each one separately, using the blue text template, but DO NOT EXPECT THEM TO CANCEL THEM

after each one has been appealed, its IGNORE MODE unless an LBC or MCOL is received within 6 years

you must assume that they will eventually issue an LBC and/or an MCOL for this , especially as they will smell blood with multiple infringements

SeaHaven

KeithP wrote: »

Respond using the already written for you blue text appeal template that you will find when you read post #1 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread[/URL][/U].

Send it unchanged - no additions or alterations necessary.

Send it as the keeper.

UKCPM do not appear to have an online appeals option - the website insists upon all appeals being made by post to a prescribed address. The PCN does not give the option of an online appeals process for UKCPM either. Also, the appeal relates to private land where there are no marked bays to park in, and no ticket machines or requirement to pay for parking - do I still use the example in brackets, or delete that from the letter as its not relevant to the actual circumstance?

Redx

yes , delete anything that is not relevant, but no inferring or admitting who was driving


removing text is fine if appropriate, but people make mistakes if they go off piste


dont be one of them


yes use the method of appealing they allow



and expect rejections too

Fruitcake

You appeal by whatever method it tells you on the PCN/NTK.

If it has to be by post, which is unusual, then send the template from the NEWBIES as already advised, from a Post Office counter, first class, and get a free proof of posting. Do not use any other method of posting.

KeithP

SeaHaven wrote: »

Also, the appeal relates to private land where there are no marked bays to park in, and no ticket machines or requirement to pay for parking - do I still use the example in brackets, or delete that from the letter as its not relevant to the actual circumstance?

I would say there is no need to delete that from your appeal.

As you say, that stuff in brackets is only an example - hence the 'e.g.' - of one of many possible situations.

SeaHaven

Just checking my facts, but on another forum it says: -
A Notice to Keeper can be served by ordinary post and the Protection of Freedoms Act requires that the Notice, to be valid, must be delivered either
(Where a notice to driver (parking ticket) has been served) Not earlier than 28 days after, nor more than 56 days after, the service of that notice to driver; or
(Where no notice to driver has been served (e.g ANPR is used)) Not later than 14 days after the vehicle was parked

In this Keeper's case, if day 1 was the day of the parking infraction, and day 18 was the date the letter was delivered to the keeper's address, is it correct to assume that the PCN is invalid under the Act?

Also, the Keeper has retained the envelopes in which the PCNs were delivered. UKMail envelopes with no postage date, just the usual uninterpretable Royal Mail orange barcodes. Not signed-for. Can I assume the PPC would have to challenge by way of proof of posting that the NTK was posted to be received within the POFA time limit?

KeithP

If there is a issue date printed on the NtK, then it is deemed delivered two working days later.
Even if it does actually arrive with you some days after that you will be unable to prove the delivery date.