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NS&I to shaft savers again. RPI to CPI (index linked bonds)

Isnt it strange how HM Government via its agency the MS&I says that using RPI is outmoded and inaccurate and therefore they will switch inflation linking on its index linked bond product from RPI to CPI in 2019,,and yet when it comes to other things, they are quite happy to accept the status quo?

For example, student loan debt repayments, the annual rail fair increase for our national joke of a service, the interest payments on the free giveaway Help to buy loans etc..

Essentially,,anything involving income and charging.. Government is happy with RPI.

Anything involving expenditure- Oh no,we need CPI

Well why then dont they apply CPI to Government gilts ? Answer, because they are hypocrites, bullys and cowards and whilst they have no scruples or fear of ripping off savers and pensioners, they do fear upsetting their fat cat friends in the city and messing up the economy by applying the same rules to gilts.

Government is happy to squander taxpayer cash to help the profligate but they make the prudent pay for it i.e savers.

Examples of profligacy,,proposed free loans to help out those who got payday loans, free loans to buy shoddy over priced new homes from major housebuilders..witness the rising share prices of housebuilders propped up by Government policy and the latest scandal of the persimmon CEOs burgeoning pay bonuses.

The lesson to savers is,,dont bother,you are being mugged over. Spend spend spend and when you have no more, get some debt
Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
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  • System
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    Calm down and forget your conspiracy theories! The rates offered by NS&I are far more generous than the rates available on index-linked gilts, which is why NS&I index-linked bonds are not on general sale! You could always buy index-linked gilts if you think that they are a better deal.
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  • nrsql
    nrsql Posts: 1,919 Forumite
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    They could decide not to allow rollovers at all or give a negative interest rate.
    These are still good products imho and closed to new investors. They could be accused of paying more interest than necessary to the detriment of the taxpayer.

    I'm grateful they are still going at all. They just give the rate they need to keep the loans they predict they require.
  • C_Mababejive
    C_Mababejive Posts: 11,668 Forumite
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    Thats fine but why then do they charge in RPI but pay out in CPI? it shows that they are corrupt liars .
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
  • Zanderman
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    Thats fine but why then do they charge in RPI but pay out in CPI? it shows that they are corrupt liars .

    No it doesn't.
  • And lets not forget that MPs pensions are still indexed to RPI despite them changing Public sector pensions to CPI. Hypocritical? Self evidently.
  • System
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    made2fade wrote: »
    And lets not forget that MPs pensions are still indexed to RPI despite them changing Public sector pensions to CPI. Hypocritical? Self evidently.
    Do you have some evidence for this assertion?
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  • ColdIron
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    made2fade wrote: »
    And lets not forget that MPs pensions are still indexed to RPI despite them changing Public sector pensions to CPI. Hypocritical? Self evidently.
    Untrue? Self evidently.
    • They might be responsible for tinkering with our retirement savings but MPs benefit from one of the most generous pension schemes out there. Although a new career average revalued earnings (CARE) scheme was introduced in 2015, they still receive 1/51st of their annual pensionable earnings for each year that they in the scheme, revalued each year by the Consumer Price Index (CPI), in exchange for an annual contribution of 11.09%.
    https://www.moneywise.co.uk/pensions/retirement-lifestyle/top-10-jobs-pensions
  • foxy-stoat
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    I would take the main man's advice and cash in all your premium bonds......it will give me and the others a better chance to win more than £25 !!!
  • le_loup
    le_loup Posts: 4,047 Forumite
    They pay RPI for state pensions.

    Shouldn't but they do.
  • redmalc
    redmalc Posts: 1,435 Forumite
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    Sorry to piggy back your thread but can someone advise if they are changing from RPI to CPI on bonds that are already running because I took a five year one in 2016 that I re invested for five years from 2011
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