Which chrome book?

ballyblack

perhaps Chromebooks are not considered good value, but getting away from Windows system was great.

Only use windows on my PC if I have to

Love my Chromebook even though it doesn't have android apps as its an old Toshiba


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islandman wrote: »

Not happy with my HP envy running w10.

Hey, no one is forcing you to run windows 10, you do have a choice, a wide choice. You can put Chrome os on, over 100 different implementations of linux and unix, some support vmware, and think some even convert laptops to a Hackintosh.

Many will find Windows 10 convenient, free and pre-installed. Want something secure, free, private then use TAILS.

There is probably a way you can install your new os onto a bootable flash drive, possibly a cd too?

A laptop gives you options. A Chromebook is a one trick pony often tied down by the manufacturer and poor hardware that has about a 5 year os support life span. Often more costly for poor spec hardware. However this lower spec hardware does consume less current, so the battery life is longer, and possibly a bit lighter too, cut down operating system so less to go wrong. So is not all bad, but will any techie worth his salt recommend this, well generally for most people probably not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fukOnhnnAMc

benson1980

that wrote: »

Hey, no one is forcing you to run windows 10, you do have a choice, a wide choice. You can put Chrome os on, over 100 different implementations of linux and unix, some support vmware, and think some even convert laptops to a Hackintosh.

Many will find Windows 10 convenient, free and pre-installed. Want something secure, free, private then use TAILS.

There is probably a way you can install your new os onto a bootable flash drive, possibly a cd too?

A laptop gives you options. A Chromebook is a one trick pony often tied down by the manufacturer and poor hardware that has about a 5 year os support life span. Often more costly for poor spec hardware. However this lower spec hardware does consume less current, so the battery life is longer, and possibly a bit lighter too, cut down operating system so less to go wrong. So is not all bad, but will any techie worth his salt recommend this, well generally for most people probably not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fukOnhnnAMc

With chromium it requires a bit of work to actually install (I wouldn't find it a problem but others might) and it doesn't support android apps, does it?

EveryWhere

islandman wrote: »

Not happy with my HP envy running w10.

HP consumer stuff isn't the best. What is the full model number of your HP Envy?
Hopefully it has a solid state drive fitted and not a dreadfully slow magnetic spinning disc hard drive.
Also better to have a clean install of Windows 10 Pro, so as to defer any annoying feature updates.

A huge improvement will ensue.
But the likelihood is that you will think any modification and clean installation is beyond you.
So if you are thinking to spend money on a Chromebook, simply purchase a laptop with the new, faster technology fitted and Pro OS already installed.

Chromebooks are just a waste of money unless really cheap.

What's the full model number of your HP ENVY?

tempus_fugit

EveryWhere wrote: »

Chromebooks are just a waste of money unless really cheap.

They're not, it depends on the user's requirements. Whilst the more expensive ones (e.g. Pixelbook) are an expensive luxury, going ultra cheap can be a false economy. Many people buy the middle-range priced ones and are perfectly happy with them. It depends what people are using them for and they have many, many fewer problems than Windows machines. The fact that you don't need AV and the the fact that they update seamlessly can be a godsend to those who are not confident doing such things.

EveryWhere

benson1980 wrote: »

With chromium it requires a bit of work to actually install (I wouldn't find it a problem but others might) and it doesn't support android apps, does it?

Yours doesn't support Android Apps either, but what can you do about it?

At least with Windows you can run Bluestacks.

Chromebook is a deadend. An attempt to take market share from Apple which is doomed to failure.

I don't have any issues with updates or speed with my Windows devices. That's just from the bad old days, before solid state drives became prevalent.

There are always going to be people who need saving from themselves. But I would never recommend a Chromebook to anyone.
They are just crippled rubbish, being marketed as something more than they actually are.

It's like convincing someone to buy a car that travels no more than 10 MPH, for the same price as one that goes 100 mph, because you are less likely to hurt yourself at 10 MPH.

Oh, but look, the scooter starts up a second faster, so it's worth it. It's really nonsense.

benson1980

EveryWhere wrote: »

Yours doesn't support Android Apps either, but what can you do about it?

At least with Windows you can run Bluestacks.

Chromebook is a deadend. An attempt to take market share from Apple which is doomed to failure.

I don't have any issues with updates or speed with my Windows devices. That's just from the bad old days, before solid state drives became prevalent.

There are always going to be people who need saving from themselves. But I would never recommend a Chromebook to anyone.
They are just crippled rubbish, being marketed as something more than they actually are.

It's like convincing someone to buy a car that travels no more than 10 MPH, for the same price as one that goes 100 mph, because you are less likely to hurt yourself at 10 MPH.

Oh, but look, the scooter starts up a second faster, so it's worth it. It's really nonsense.

My chromebook runs android apps just fine thanks

tempus_fugit

EveryWhere wrote: »

There are always going to be people who need saving from themselves. But I would never recommend a Chromebook to anyone.
They are just crippled rubbish, being marketed as something more than they actually are.

That is just nonsense. My in-laws have a Chromebook, which I recommended to them. They are elderly and had problems coping with Windows and all it's updates, screwy messages and the need for Anti-virus. The Chromebook is simpler and basically runs itself, which is great not only for them but also for me as I was the one who had to sort their old computer out for them. This one just runs and I never get "called out", so to speak.

Now of course, this is a specific demographic (I will go past the rather condescending "people who need saving from themselves" remark) who have basic needs, but to say that they are crippled rubbish and cannot be recommended to anyone is rubbish. Of course they don't do everything but they do a lot more than most people think (my in-laws don't use half of the things it could do, thank goodness) and they do have their uses.

You obviously have a downer on them but don't tell people what they need, they can work that out for themselves.

EveryWhere

tempus_fugit wrote: »

They're not, it depends on the user's requirements. Whilst the more expensive ones (e.g. Pixelbook) are an expensive luxury, going ultra cheap can be a false economy. Many people buy the middle-range priced ones and are perfectly happy with them. It depends what people are using them for and they have many, many fewer problems than Windows machines. The fact that you don't need AV and the the fact that they update seamlessly can be a godsend to those who are not confident doing such things.

You have just confirmed what I have written. The selling point of Chromebooks was that they need to do less, so they can be cheaper and that they would be snappier than a cheap Windows laptop.

The problem now is that one can fit an SSD to a cheap Windows laptop and the Chromebook advantage is gone.
Now you just have a device with the cheapest of the cheap components(cheap and weak CPU, SD card for storage and a generally plasticky construction quality), that is less capable than it's Windows/Linux equivalent. No chance to upgrade any component.

If you spend more on a better quality Chromebook, then it's a waste of money, because now you are paying even more for a device that does less.

A waste of money. I stand by my statement.

Windows devices are more versatile. Allows other OS to be installed. can be upgraded. Hence the plethora of people fitting SSD to their devices(being very happy with the result).

It's not unlike someone paying the same price as a Nokia candy bar phone, as a fully fledged Smartphone.

You might not need of the function of a Smartphone, but you sure as H won't pay the same amount for the Nokia as the Smartphone.

So why a few here advocate such behaviour is beyond me.

If you can get one reallllllly cheaply, then perhaps. But with the DELL Ultrabook at that price, I wouldn't bother with a Chromebook at all.

EveryWhere

tempus_fugit wrote: »

That is just nonsense. My in-laws have a Chromebook, which I recommended to them. They are elderly and had problems coping with Windows and all it's updates, screwy messages and the need for Anti-virus. The Chromebook is simpler and basically runs itself, which is great not only for them but also for me as I was the one who had to sort their old computer out for them. This one just runs and I never get "called out", so to speak.

Now of course, this is a specific demographic (I will go past the rather condescending "people who need saving from themselves" remark) who have basic needs, but to say that they are crippled rubbish and cannot be recommended to anyone is rubbish. Of course they don't do everything but they do a lot more than most people think (my in-laws don't use half of the things it could do, thank goodness) and they do have their uses.

You obviously have a downer on them but don't tell people what they need, they can work that out for themselves.

Sorry but you are simply confirming everything that I have written.
My mother is 'elderly' and has no issue with updates, anti-virus etc.
But then I set the device up properly in the first place. Clean install to SSD.
Clearly you don't spot the irony in your comment of telling people what they need, when you pushed your in-laws to get Chromebooks.

You also miss the point of the Technical forum. To give the best Technical advice.
Who needs a novice, who hasn't the slightest idea, to give advice on a technical forum?

Perhaps if you set their 'old computer' up properly in the first instance, they would not have purchased a crippled Chromebook.

Perhaps my mum is a genius.

Personally, I'd rather he got his current HP Envy properly set up.