Job issues - How can i move on?

lyonzy1

Im stuck in a little dilemma and im wondering if anyone can help.

So in 2010 i was convicted of fraud, i received a jail term of 5years in which i served half of this sentence.

Due to this my conviction is never SPENT. Ive been self employed since being released but it isnt working out anymore and im now seeking a career/employment.

I recently applied for Ocado to deliver groceries as i drive.

I passed the phone and face to face interview and today took a driving harassment.

A few hours ago i got a call offering me the job in which i accepted but then they said subject to a CRB check, In which i told them i do have a conviction and disclosed it.

Immediately the job offer was withdrawn and i was told " Sorry you cant work for us as we dont employ anyone with a record"

I dont understand why this would be an issue when dealing with customers as i handle no cash, No card details and just deliver customer shopping as directed. But i guess im not allowed to try and make a good life eh?

So i ask, How can i gain good employment with this on my record?

Im no good at manual/skilled labour, I dont think a job working on a cashiers till would be suitable for obvious reasons. Im looking for something in driving or maybe even fraud prevention ( Wishful thinking )

Im just lost and i dont see how i can progress, How can i have a future when my past is there to haunt me so to speak.We all make mistakes and if im honest i believe Ocado should of looked more into my conviction and realized i pose no risk to customers as it wasn't theft, burglary etc.

Any advice would be much appreciated as i really want to get into work and provide for my family.

Les79

Your history is very interesting...




In 2010 you were sent to jail for using a virus to collect ~100,000 credit card details and sell them in what they believe was an overall 12million scam globally.


In 2014 there was some noise about you scamming people on bitcoin (after you serving half of your sentence).

In 2016 your bank froze your account due to, you believe, your trading of bitcoins. You only had £600 in the bank at the time which is a very low amount for fraud to be suspected (but had just got back from a nice holiday). BEARING IN MIND that you were *probably* unemployed at the time, by virtue of now struggling to get a job with Ocado, AND you likely had no legitimate capital as it should theoretically have been paid towards the money you defrauded in 2010. I'm not fully confident that there was enough volatility in 2016 to make bitcoin (or any of the other *coins) profitable to the level of a holiday + £600 in the bank (not to mention looking after your daughter) with the sort of capital that you'd LEGITIMATELY have.


God knows what you've been up to since then, more so given there was a huge bitcoin spike a year ago... The party just ended?


I just don't really know what to say to you. I'd sort of understand if you were fresh out of prison and looking to make it, but indications are that you haven't changed anything??

lyonzy1

Les79 wrote: »

Your history is very interesting...




In 2010 you were sent to jail for using a virus to collect ~100,000 credit card details and sell them in what they believe was an overall 12million scam globally.








In 2014 there was some noise about you scamming people on bitcoin (after you serving half of your sentence).

In 2016 your bank froze your account due to, you believe, your trading of bitcoins. You only had £600 in the bank at the time which is a very low amount for fraud to be suspected (but had just got back from a nice holiday).


God knows what you've been up to since then, more so given there was a huge bitcoin spike a year ago... The party just ended?


I just don't really know what to say to you. I'd sort of understand if you were fresh out of prison and looking to make it, but indications are that you haven't changed anything??

I did begin trading bitcoins once i left prison, But there isnt any money in it anymore, And i dont want to be involved with such things anymore. Im trying to move on but my past isnt allowing me. Is that a bad thing? Since i left prison i haven't actually fallen back into things, although believe me its hard at times but it isn't worth the risk. I've children to think about. Back then i was " Young and dumb "

And right now i want to change for the better - I need something to drive me and show that im not that person anymore. I dont wish to be judged on my past. Mine may differ for many, But what i did was white-collar and ive done my time in my eyes. Dont you agree?

lyonzy1

And back in 2016 Bitcoin was up and down and was good to make profit, I began with a £500 investment - But cant earn a living off that and i dont want to go BACK in time and take anymore risks. I want to move on with my life.


Also from what you say i should of paid back the money i frauded. I paid a nominal sum and it will always hang over me, If i had 12m i wouldnt be on here would i.

WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES STOP JUDGING ME are you perfect? i was a kid back then !!

sangie595

So "white collar crime" is a cut above ordinary crime, and you've decided that you've done your time. Ah yes, I can see that you are fully rehabilitated and it's everybody else's fault that they don't agree with you. They owe you something, and now it's time they pay you back.

I'd suggest an attitude transplant. You are the one with something to prove, not everyone else, and the way to that place is to get over yourself. Delivering to people gives you customer access to homes, to people who are elderly or otherwise vulnerable. And potentially to expensive merchandise that might get "lost". So if you can't see why they might have doubts about you, and that you aren't entitled, then I can see why they might not want to employ you.

There are employers out there who will employ people with criminal records, and agencies that help people towards work, but neither are interested in entitled ex-cons who think they're better than the rest of the criminals they deal with.

Les79

lyonzy1 wrote: »

And back in 2016 Bitcoin was up and down and was good to make profit, I began with a £500 investment - But cant earn a living off that and i dont want to go BACK in time and take anymore risks. I want to move on with my life.

Well, I would be hopeful that you'd be held accountable for any frauds you ran between your release and the present day. I'll leave that point at that and not take it any further.


In terms of moving on, you have to SHOW people that you are willing to change and move on. Not least your daughter, ironically, because she needs that stability and the parent who looks after her and not going to prison every couple of years when the law catches up to them.




I would recommend that you:


- Find out when your conviction will turn to "spent" or whether it does. Ask the police etc. Maybe also ask them for advice on how to get a job with the conviction, as they may be happy to advise if it keeps you from causing trouble.


- Keep applying for the jobs and keep declaring your convinction. Sadly, you'll probably have to rely on someone taking a bit of a punt on you. It may be a good idea to look at independent businesses (sandwich shops, pizza delivery, carpet shops etc) who generally don't care *too much* about convictions (if you rob a pizza or £10 then nobody is arsed, aside from sacking you).


- Maybe look into IT security companies like McAfee etc. You may have the smarts and insight to do well in those roles. Sadly, you may struggle with government-related "fraud prevention" roles because there's plenty of smart people who can figure out frauds without having the prerequisite of pulling off one! And their vetting will rule you out. You may fare better in the private sector though... but you've got to get your foot in the door. A call center could be a good shout because they have roles which involve fraud checking etc.


- Sign on for benefits (mainly to support your child)


Aside from that, can't really suggest much else (aside from openfing your own LEGITIMATE business)

Les79

sangie595 wrote: »

Delivering to people gives you customer access to homes, to people who are elderly or otherwise vulnerable. And potentially to expensive merchandise that might get "lost". .

Indeed, also:


- Could sign for whole shops in the name of the customer and keep the shopping


- Could pinch the odd item from a large shop


- Could claim incorrect mileage if they get an allowance


There's always a scam knocking around!


Additionally, OP could end up getting promoted and their previous declarations could get "lost in translation" meaning that they gain access to money due to the initial delivery driver checks.

sangie595

lyonzy1 wrote: »

WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES STOP JUDGING ME are you perfect? i was a kid back then !!

We did not send children to prison. You were not a kid. You were an adult and made choices. Nobody is judging what you did. They are judging your current attitude, which is entitled. You asked for advice. That's the advice. Your aren't owed anything. As long as you come across as thinking you are, then you will struggle with employment.

sangie595

Les79 wrote: »

Indeed, also:


- Could sign for whole shops in the name of the customer and keep the shopping


- Could pinch the odd item from a large shop


- Could claim incorrect mileage if they get an allowance


There's always a scam knocking around!


Additionally, OP could end up getting promoted and their previous declarations could get "lost in translation" meaning that they gain access to money due to the initial delivery driver checks.

Quite. Last Christmas I purchased, from Amazon, an extremely expensive piece of tech. It was delivered. I signed for it. Unfortunately for the thieving driver who swore blind to all of this, I had CCTV that not only showed it to be a total lie, but that the entire of my street was under six feet of snow at the time and nobody was going anywhere in or out. Even with that I spent a week arguing with Amazon to get it replaced and as a result I never use them any more. I wonder how many "delivered" items that driver had clocked up.... Just one high end item a week is a nice bonus.

lyonzy1

Les79 wrote: »

Well, I would be hopeful that you'd be held accountable for any frauds you ran between your release and the present day. I'll leave that point at that and not take it any further.


In terms of moving on, you have to SHOW people that you are willing to change and move on. Not least your daughter, ironically, because she needs that stability and the parent who looks after her and not going to prison every couple of years when the law catches up to them.




I would recommend that you:


- Find out when your conviction will turn to "spent" or whether it does. Ask the police etc. Maybe also ask them for advice on how to get a job with the conviction, as they may be happy to advise if it keeps you from causing trouble.


- Keep applying for the jobs and keep declaring your convinction. Sadly, you'll probably have to rely on someone taking a bit of a punt on you. It may be a good idea to look at independent businesses (sandwich shops, pizza delivery, carpet shops etc) who generally don't care *too much* about convictions (if you rob a pizza or £10 then nobody is arsed, aside from sacking you).


- Maybe look into IT security companies like McAfee etc. You may have the smarts and insight to do well in those roles. Sadly, you may struggle with government-related "fraud prevention" roles because there's plenty of smart people who can figure out frauds without having the prerequisite of pulling off one! And their vetting will rule you out. You may fare better in the private sector though... but you've got to get your foot in the door. A call center could be a good shout because they have roles which involve fraud checking etc.


- Sign on for benefits (mainly to support your child)


Aside from that, can't really suggest much else (aside from openfing your own LEGITIMATE business)

Ive got more than 1 child now, And another on the way.

I dont wish to claim benifits, I did when i was released but they sent me to a recruitment company who was supposed to help me. Even they said i was " unemployable "

So if they cant help who can? I was sanctioned 3 times due to THEIR mistake as each time was overturned so i just signed off.

Ive been doing pc/laptop repairs here and there and a little web design but nothing major,

Id begin my own business but it needs funds ( Which i do not have ) and as for looking for work in the fraud sector i tried that, I emailed a few places with NO reply. That would be an ideal job for me i would love to do good from bad.

This is why im out of ideas im still applying but not keeping my hopes up. To make change there needs to be some give from the big companies.

lyonzy1

Les79 wrote: »

Indeed, also:


- Could sign for whole shops in the name of the customer and keep the shopping


- Could pinch the odd item from a large shop


- Could claim incorrect mileage if they get an allowance


There's always a scam knocking around!


Additionally, OP could end up getting promoted and their previous declarations could get "lost in translation" meaning that they gain access to money due to the initial delivery driver checks.

Fair points, Although i wouldnt want to work with things that could even put me in a position where i could be accused. Driving was all i wanted to do. But your points are valid. The vans are tracked and camera though so i wouldnt see a risk if im honest in that respect.