New style esa and carers allowence

hazzer619

Hey all I am claiming New style esa) contribution based not attached to universal credit and carers allowence. Can I claim both without penalty?

Nannytone

You can't climb both as they are both work replacement benefits. As long as you meet the criteria you will have an underlying entitlement to carers allowance and as such/ if your income is low enough, you may be entitled to the carers premium

calcotti

Nannytone wrote: »

You can't climb both as they are both work replacement benefits. As long as you meet the criteria you will have an underlying entitlement to carers allowance and as such/ if your income is low enough, you may be entitled to the carers premium

OP says they are claiming new style ESA which is a contribution based benefit - so carer premium does not apply to the ESA award.

hazzer619 wrote: »

Hey all I am claiming New style esa) contribution based not attached to universal credit and carers allowence. Can I claim both without penalty?

You cannot be paid both ns-ESA and CA. As nanny tone says they are both earnings replacement benefits and because of overlapping benefit rules you can only be paid one. As ESA is worth more this is what you should be paid. If you are being paid both you need to tell DWp otherwise there will be an overpayment which you will have to pay back.

If you are getting any income based benefits then, as nannytone says, a carer premium will be applied if you have an underlying entitlement to CA.

Nannytone

They could apply for income related top up if. You have a bad habit of not actually knowing the full details of the advice you give.

It is quite common to claim both contribution-based and income-related ESA at same time

hazzer619

calcotti wrote: »

OP says they are claiming new style ESA which is a contribution based benefit - so carer premium does not apply to the ESA award.



You cannot be paid both ns-ESA and CA. As nanny tone says they are both earnings replacement benefits and because of overlapping benefit rules you can only be paid one. As ESA is worth more this is what you should be paid. If you are being paid both you need to tell DWp otherwise there will be an overpayment which you will have to pay back.

If you are getting any income based benefits then, as nannytone says, a carer premium will be applied if you have an underlying entitlement to CA.

I am currently claiming CA and have just started a claim for NS ESA. Not eligible for income related benefits due to savings. So i should stop my carers allowence claim right?

calcotti

Nannytone wrote: »

They could apply for income related top up if. You have a bad habit of not actually knowing the full details of the advice you give.

It is quite common to claim both contribution-based and income-related ESA at same time

There is no income based top up to new style ESA. Legacy ESA contained both contribution based part and income based part. The income based part of legacy ESA has been replaced by UC. New style ESA is the equivalent of the old contribution based part.

If the OP wanted to top up their new style ESA with an income based benefit they would need to apply for Universal Credit. Opening post is clear that they have not done this.

Whether or not I have a habit of getting advice wrong I will let others decide - I have certainly made mistakes, we all do from time to time. I am happy to admit them when I do.

calcotti

hazzer619 wrote: »

I am currently claiming CA and have just started a claim for NS ESA. Not eligible for income related benefits due to savings. So i should stop my carers allowence claim right?

I would wait until you have confirmation that your ESA claim has been processed. I would hope that DWP will pick up the overlap and stop the CA payments anyway but it will do no harm to ring CA unit and advise them that you are getting ESA once this is confirmed.

As a point of interest I assume that you have had to complete an ESA1 application form to start your ESA claim. Was there somewhere on the form that asked whether you are already getting any benefits? I haven't seen whether the ESA1 has been revised for ns-ESA claims, I know the old form asked lots of questions about existing benefits.

hazzer619

calcotti wrote: »

I would wait until you have confirmation that your ESA claim has been processed. I would hope that DWP will pick up the overlap and stop the CA payments anyway but it will do no harm to ring CA unit and advise them that you are getting ESA once this is confirmed.

As a point of interest I assume that you have had to complete an ESA1 application form to start your ESA claim. Was there somewhere on the form that asked whether you are already getting any benefits? I haven't seen whether the ESA1 has been revised for ns-ESA claims, I know the old form asked lots of questions about existing benefits.

The form did ask about benefits but only social security benefits which i assume CA isn't so i didn't list it

poppy12345

hazzer619 wrote: »

The form did ask about benefits but only social security benefits which i assume CA isn't so i didn't list it

Carers allowance is a benefit that you're currently claiming and therefore you should have given the details on the ESA1 form that you completed. You need to contact ESA and tell them you're claiming CA otherwise you'll have an over payment.

poppy12345

Nannytone wrote: »

You have a bad habit of not actually knowing the full details of the advice you give.

I disagree here. Calotti gives good advice. No one is perfect, myself included and we all make mistakes. If someone makes a mistake someone else will usually point it out. None of us are experts and a lot of the advice we give is based on our own experiences.

calcotti

Thanks poppy.