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Patisserie Valerie

edited 30 November -1 at 1:00AM in Savings & Investments
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  • If the shareholders get back 20% of last weeks value they have been lucky!

    I would expect to get sweet FA though
  • Zola.Zola. Forumite
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    What do you think has happened to the dough?


    I'll go against the grain, and say it is looking gloomy. At yeast the truth will come out.

    Getting out in time before all of this would have been worth its wheat in gold.
  • SystemSystem
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    What do you think has happened to the dough?
    I doughnut know!
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    Zola. wrote: »
    I'd say the Finance director is crêpping themselves right now.

    He's not sure whether what he's done is a crime or just a torte.
  • So, it now looks likely that the Company will survive (touch wood). Assuming the cash flow problems are sorted then I think there are grounds for optimism that the share price will recover in the longer term - would expect it to be way down next week though. Hats off to Luke Johnson for putting his hand into his pocket - though it's a shame he allowed this to happen in the first place.

    It does irk me that only institutional investors had the option of buying in at 50p, but I guess given the urgency of the situation there was little alternative. If there does turn out to have been fraud or culpable negligence then I really think existing shareholders should be compensated - but I'm not holding my breath.

    And please please please - no more cake jokes!!!
  • jimjamesjimjames Forumite
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    Indeed you do, but as someone that worked in finance for several large corporates, I can tell you some sail pretty close to the wind.

    Even a company as large as Tesco isn't immune from accounting issues
    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
  • Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.

    I don't think it did look too good to be true - solid growth but nothing incredible.
  • edited 12 October 2018 at 7:48PM
    AlexlandAlexland Forumite
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    edited 12 October 2018 at 7:48PM
    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    As the company is essentially worthless.

    Sure any new investment will dilute existing shareholders but it's not worthless - it seems to have a good business model that delivers what customers want in a way that should be profitable. There are probably a lot of concerned employees wondering what happens next. I am pretty confident it will be saved.

    Alex
  • londoninvestorlondoninvestor Forumite
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    Alexland wrote: »
    Sure any new investment will dilute existing shareholders but it's not worthless - it seems to have a good business model that delivers what customers want in a way that should be profitable. There are probably a lot of concerned employees wondering what happens next. I am pretty confident it will be saved.

    Alex

    They're obviously being cagey about exactly what happened. But I guess existing shareholders should "hope" (funny word for the situation) that the underlying business was profitable; miscreants were siphoning off cash from it; and the accounting irregularities were there to disguise the pilfering.

    The less good scenario would be that it was an intrinsically loss-making business and the dodgy accounting was there to hide that.

    However, at least some people who know more than we do have been prepared to lend and to buy equity, so that may be a little cheering.
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    The greater the return sought the higher the risk that must be undertaken. Is that better?

    I think it's better, as long as you also acknowledge that the nature of risk is that you also may get an unusually low return.
    Free the dunston one next time too.
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