Schools providing Sanitary protection

JWM

phryne wrote: »

Or to put it another way, the tyranny of the majority..

I've had posts reported and removed for no other reason than someone doesn't like me, or my opinions. I haven't broken forum rules.

It wouldn't matter to me if the 'majority of people' were to say the moon is made of green cheese, I would still say it isn't. People are quick to go along with others without thinking things through, alas.

And quite frankly if you're thinking differently to the majority on this particular board, you're probably doing something right :rotfl:

Fair comment - but could you explain to me WHY this is such a big deal for you?

Is it the cost?

I just don't get why this is bothering some people so much, it just seems like common sense to me. So much discussion over a little thing to make girl's lives better.

Comms69

JWM wrote: »

Fair comment - but could you explain to me WHY this is such a big deal for you?

Is it the cost?

I just don't get why this is bothering some people so much, it just seems like common sense to me. So much discussion over a little thing to make girl's lives better.

Wont speak for Phryne and it's not a 'big' deal per se; this is an academic discussion. My opinion isn't going to change anything in the grand scheme.


It's not the cost of this individual scheme, though it will be in the hundreds of millions if it goes through. It's the constant build up of state sponsored 'laziness'.


The need to be nannied alongside the state's desire to influence every aspect of life.


I'll go back to one of my original points - should we do everything that makes lives better?


How does any of this instill any kind of independence in people, any kind of 'rising from the ashes' mentality?


People complain that zero hours contracts are 'unfair', but they never look at themselves and wonder why they're only 'worth' a low skilled, low paid job.


It's like another point I made earlier on pay and benefits vs poverty; and one which is constantly thrown around in the papers - "Shock: Nurse uses foodbank. NHS Pay blah blah blah" - there's hundreds of thousands of nurses working for the NHS and they don't all use foodbanks; maybe its the individual choices of this one person, who happens to be a nurse, that have caused this.


I don't care if the government does fund this scheme, but I can guarantee two things will happen: 1: uptake, and therefore cost, will exceed predictions. 2: vocal activists will move onto the next battle with-in hours of the news and a new #hashtag will be trending on twitter.

JWM

Comms69 wrote: »

Wont speak for Phryne and it's not a 'big' deal per se; this is an academic discussion. My opinion isn't going to change anything in the grand scheme.


It's not the cost of this individual scheme, though it will be in the hundreds of millions if it goes through. It's the constant build up of state sponsored 'laziness'.


The need to be nannied alongside the state's desire to influence every aspect of life.


I'll go back to one of my original points - should we do everything that makes lives better?


How does any of this instill any kind of independence in people, any kind of 'rising from the ashes' mentality?


People complain that zero hours contracts are 'unfair', but they never look at themselves and wonder why they're only 'worth' a low skilled, low paid job.


It's like another point I made earlier on pay and benefits vs poverty; and one which is constantly thrown around in the papers - "Shock: Nurse uses foodbank. NHS Pay blah blah blah" - there's hundreds of thousands of nurses working for the NHS and they don't all use foodbanks; maybe its the individual choices of this one person, who happens to be a nurse, that have caused this.


I don't care if the government does fund this scheme, but I can guarantee two things will happen: 1: uptake, and therefore cost, will exceed predictions. 2: vocal activists will move onto the next battle with-in hours of the news and a new #hashtag will be trending on twitter.

My last comment on the subject - I think you are wrong. Certainly State Funding should be challenged but not in this case, no girls should be prevented from attending school because of period poverty.

Red-Squirrel_2

Comms69 wrote: »

People complain that zero hours contracts are 'unfair', but they never look at themselves and wonder why they're only 'worth' a low skilled, low paid job.

I know you aren’t stupid enough to think that the country can function without people doing low skilled jobs, so why can’t you follow the logic of that and realise that those people are important and deserving too and that if they all ‘rose from the ashes’ as you put it we’d be in a real mess within about 12 hours?

happyandcontented

I think that there are lots of issues that !!!!less adults need to be brought to account for, but when they become !!!!less parents can we really countenance taking their 'punishment' as far not providing access to Sanpro for their daughters?

It is a very real issue, and a separate one to the state being more than a safety net to those who could if they chose, do something more for themselves.

Comms69

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

I know you aren’t stupid enough to think that the country can function without people doing low skilled jobs, so why can’t you follow the logic of that and realise that those people are important and deserving too and that if they all ‘rose from the ashes’ as you put it we’d be in a real mess within about 12 hours?

And obviously you aren't advocating state sponsored poverty; ie keeping people poor and uneducated so they are there to perform low skilled jobs.


My point was people taking responsibility for their own lives

Red-Squirrel_2

Comms69 wrote: »

And obviously you aren't advocating state sponsored poverty; ie keeping people poor and uneducated so they are there to perform low skilled jobs.


My point was people taking responsibility for their own lives

I think you are deliberately missing my point.

Comms69

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

I think you are deliberately missing my point.

Not deliberately I can assure you.


My understanding, for avoidance of doubt, is that we need low skilled labour. I agree to a point.


Unemployment over the last 40 years was largely due to surplus of lowskilled labour with manufacturing being done more and more abroad. But as individuals people are able to better themselves if they choose to.

annandale

The quote function is there on my phone as is the edit one. They come up as a list but when I press the relevant buttons nothing happens. I am more often on my phone than my desktop.

Just incase the not quoting posts comment was directed at me. The only button that actually works from the list is the thank you one. None of the others do.

Hope that explains.

Comms69

annandale wrote: »

The quote function is there on my phone as is the edit one. They come up as a list but when I press the relevant buttons nothing happens. I am more often on my phone than my desktop.

Just incase the not quoting posts comment was directed at me. The only button that actually works from the list is the thank you one. None of the others do.

Hope that explains.

You can change the setting to the older forum view and that works better on phones