Motorcycle parking

Coupon-mad

Obviously - but surely people should smell a scam when it's under their nose...!

onlyfoolsandparking

KeithP wrote: »

Well the Astle Retail Park, where the OP's incident took place, seems to show both the entry and exit cameras looking for rear number plates.

See this GSV image for an ANPR camera on a pole at each end of the central island.

Oh well there goes my theory:beer:

onlyfoolsandparking

unforeseen wrote: »

Because, believe it or not, this site and advice is not as famous as you seem to think. In fact there are probably millions of people in this country who have never heard of this site and will follow the information given on the ticket.

You could be right but what a damn shame eh. I'm just glad I found this site I have no doubt AT ALL that I wont be paying anything for my scamvoice

steve1500

KeithP wrote: »

Why can't ANPR cameras be sited to capture the rear number plate on entry and the rear number plate again exit?

If you did a left or right turn on entering the bike park, odds on, wouldn't up the rear number plate.

999_EMT

Ok so I just appealed to POPLA on the basis that
1) the entry and exit points with cameras are not the only ways a bike could access or egress from the site
2) the bike was not parked in a parking bay, they have no proof as to where or even if it was parked
3) the bike exited the site through the perimeter bollards and parked on a paved area next to, but physically outside, the site so Smart have no jurisdiction.
4) the Astle Park website refers to CAR charges and lists a CAR parking tariff, no mention of motorcycles
5) she has been going to the same gym and parking in the same place for well over a year with no issues, other bikes park in the same place as they chain up to the barriers - it is physically just outside the site perimeter.
6) signage says that by parking you agree to the terms and conditions - yeah but she didn't park within the retail park so they can stick it where the sun don't shine!!


It seems to my simple mind that any site that is not fully enclosed could never prove that a motorcycle or scooter stayed within its perimeter purely based on an entrance or exit camera. There is nothing to say you cannot use the internal roadways as a way through and out the other side (pushing the bike across the paved areas of course).

999_EMT

correct - both entry and exit camera's point to the rear plate

Coupon-mad

You didn't use any of the POPLA appeal templates in the NEWBIES thread then? Nothing about no landowner authority, or unclear signs?

999_EMT

@ coupon-mad
I appealed on the basis that the scooter was not parked on the site controlled by Smart Parking and was not where they claimed it was. Making points about landowner authority or signs would only be relevant if it had been parked on their car park.


I could not see a template relating to "it wasn't there Gov and you cant prove it was" - if I had then I would have used it


You obviously know your way around this website very well and I can understand you experiencing some frustration with those of us who are new and ask the same questions time after time; but please understand that your average newcomer like myself struggles with it at first and knows nothing on this subject. Constant references to "look on the newbies thread" are actually unhelpful and likely to drive people away after they have struggled and confused themselves even more.

What would help is to maybe offer a link to the thread ( or section of it) for us technophobes to click on, or improved search functionality maybe?


Anyway, that said, - thanks for support / help / advise to all who have posted, it is appreciated - keep up the good work and please be patient with those less informed than yourselves

Coupon-mad

I point to the link (that is on every single page of the entire forum) - it's 2 clicks back to the NEWBIES thread, as shown in my signature, under very post I make.

I hope you win but you gave yourself no safety net.