Got a new job during process for disciplinary/gross misconduct

JReacher1

billy2shots wrote: »

What is it with people on this forum and their annoyance of new members? Surely everyone was new at some point. Is it some kind of hazing that all new members should be made fun of?

The OP is asking for some advice, not to be made fun of. Try living up to your form username 'nicechap'

Until a poster has posted a certain number of posts "nicechap" always calls them either a troll or a bot! Its one of their quirks that we have all grown to love!

sangie595

JReacher1 wrote: »

But aren't you now stalking this poster?

It seems very confusing the amount of stalking that appears to be going on today. I'm losing track of who is stalking who!

Posting on the same thread and disagreeing with what someone has written on a public forum is not stalking. And given that real stalking is a serious and abusive crime, it's insulting to victims of stalking to suggest it is. But you've always liked stirring, so I see no reason for you to change now.

sangie595

billy2shots wrote: »

The OP was asking when to tell the new employer if she gets dismissed by the existing employer.

The simple answer is straight away. If you are honest then there will be no shock references. If you don't divulge it and the new employer subsequently finds out, your honesty will be questioned.

Best of luck.

I am aware of what the OP was asking, thank you. My understanding of English is not impaired. My answer was that if the employer agrees to drop the disciplinary and give a neutral reference, then there is nothing to tell them! I did not suggest hiding it or lying at all, so it is not a matter of honesty. It is a matter of truth and timing.

If the OP is not telling the truth, that's not relevant to their question. That's for them.

Masomnia

It's still a bit risky to rely on their word with regards to the reference; without a Settlement in place they could go back on it and say that she resigned while under investigation and there's not a huge amount OP could do.

I don't think anyone has mentioned either that actually she could go through the disciplinary and be found not guilty of it, we're assuming it's a fait accompli.

It's up the OP to weigh all this stuff up beforehand.

sangie595

Masomnia wrote: »

It's still a bit risky to rely on their word with regards to the reference; without a Settlement in place they could go back on it and say that she resigned while under investigation and there's not a huge amount OP could do.

I don't think anyone has mentioned either that actually she could go through the disciplinary and be found not guilty of it, we're assuming it's a fait accompli.

It's up the OP to weigh all this stuff up beforehand.

I don't disagree, and I did assume that whether she is found guilty or not is now of less importance to her than starting the new job. And yes, the employer could lie. But they also could not lie. Only the OP can decide. But if there is no disciplinary, and therefore no potential dismissal, they can't say there is our that she was dismissed. And most wouldn't - although some might. Most employers prefer a quiet life, and making things harder on themselves isn't their first choice.

JReacher1

sangie595 wrote: »

Posting on the same thread and disagreeing with what someone has written on a public forum is not stalking. And given that real stalking is a serious and abusive crime, it's insulting to victims of stalking to suggest it is. But you've always liked stirring, so I see no reason for you to change now.

As a matter of interest why are you criticising my reference to stalking when I was responding tongue in cheek to another posters ridiculous stalking claim?

billy2shots

Laura1995 wrote: »

But my question is, if I get dismissed for gross misconduct when do I tell my new job, the interview was before I received any information about the hearing so I didn’t say anything. t

sangie595 wrote: »

I am aware of what the OP was asking, thank you. My understanding of English is not impaired. My answer was that if the employer agrees to drop the disciplinary and give a neutral reference, then there is nothing to tell them! I did not suggest hiding it or lying at all, so it is not a matter of honesty. It is a matter of truth and timing.

If the OP is not telling the truth, that's not relevant to their question. That's for them.

Hi sangie,

Whilst I would never say your understanding of English is impaired, I would say you missed the actual question.

If the OP is dismissed then she can't hop in a time machine and go back to a point where she can negotiate leaving the job. She has already been sacked (hypothetically in her question).

Q If im sacked for gross misconduct when should I tell my new employer?

A Straight away

LilElvis

billy2shots wrote: »

Hi sangie,

Whilst I would never say your understanding of English is impaired, I would say you missed the actual question.

If the OP is dismissed then she can't hop in a time machine and go back to a point where she can negotiate leaving the job. She has already been sacked (hypothetically in her question).

Q If im sacked for gross misconduct when should I tell my new employer?

A Straight away

What Sangie suggested was to offer an immediate resignation in return for ceasing the disciplinary process and giving a neutral reference. No need for a time machine as there won't be a sacking as the OP will have resigned. Possibly no longer an option as the OP subsequently states that they have already submitted their notice, though the employer may still be amenable to a negotiated exit.

billy2shots

LilElvis wrote: »

What Sangie suggested was to offer an immediate resignation in return for ceasing the disciplinary process and giving a neutral reference. No need for a time machine as there won't be a sacking as the OP will have resigned. Possibly no longer an option as the OP subsequently states that they have already submitted their notice, though the employer may still be amenable to a negotiated exit.

As you say, it's a moot point as it appears the OP has handed in her notice and the disciplinary is continuing. Which leaves the question that was clearly asked at the very beginning that I quoted. If found guilty of gross misconduct when should the OP tell her new employer.

I'm all for finding out as much detail as possible to give various points of view but sometimes just answering someone's simple question is good enough.

LilElvis

billy2shots wrote: »

As you say, it's a moot point as it appears the OP has handed in her notice and the disciplinary is continuing. Which leaves the question that was clearly asked at the very beginning that I quoted. If found guilty of gross misconduct when should the OP tell her new employer.

I'm all for finding out as much detail as possible to give various points of view but sometimes just answering someone's simple question is good enough.

The employee has nothing to lose, but potentially a lot to gain, by following Sangie's suggestion and senior management might prefer to accept the solution than spend their time on a process for a person they know will be leaving regardless of the outcome.