Parking at my apartment

Redx

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well that sign is clearly old and false info as CMS are IPC AOS members and have been for some time , so they have no idea what they are talking about , No BPA (and no POPLA either)

NeilCr

As Redx says this can get a bit complicated.

As a starter do you, the residents, own the freehold of the block? If you do then there will likely a Management Company of which some residents are directors. That could be a good starting point.

The MA will be employed by them - or if that is not the situation then by the freeholder. It's worth remembering this in any dealings with the MA. As you say the MA may be party to the contract with the PPC - but so might the freeholder/ManCo.

You really need to understand by what and whose authority the PPC was introduced. It may well be that the freeholder/ManCo instructed the MA to proceed.

What it says in the lease about parking is important. But also check out if there is any catch all clause about the ManCo/freeholder being able to change things in general for the smooth running of the estate.

There is an example at the end of this thread

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5883348/gladstones-lbc

Good luck. As a director of an estate I don't like people being ticketed in their own space at all

LawlessGoose

I'll have a look at my lease later today, it's currently at my parent's house. It definitely contains a clause about modifying the common areas. But I'm not sure of the exact wording.

They recently changed the fob access system to limit access to particular blocks citing security reasons. That doesn't affect my peaceful enjoyment of my apartment because I have access to all the areas I need. However, I can't see how the threat of £100 looming over you if a permit slips down as really being peaceful enjoyment.

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They recently changed the fob access system to limit access to particular blocks citing security reasons. That doesn't affect my peaceful enjoyment of my apartment because I have access to all the areas I need. However, I can't see how the threat of £100 looming over you if a permit slips down as really being peaceful enjoyment.

So as a matter of course it is nearly certain that all vehicles parked are authorised to be there (else they would not have access to the secure parking). That then begs the question what benefit/purpose a permit serves? This will be defensible.

LawlessGoose

Johnersh wrote: »

So as a matter of course it is nearly certain that all vehicles parked are authorised to be there (else they would not have access to the secure parking). That then begs the question what benefit/purpose a permit serves? This will be defensible.

The apartment block is a single building split into sections. Each section requires a fob or to gain entry, but it used to be all fobs could access anywhere. There is also an electronic gate to my carpark that requires either a fob, different to the previously mentioned fobs that only ever allowed access to a single car park each, or an entry code. There are three car parks that cannot be traversed by car. Each car park has such an electronic gate.

The only purpose of permits would be to prevent parking in a space not allocated to a particular resident. However all of the permits I have seen are blank. A warden would have no way of knowing if a car was in the correct space or not.

LawlessGoose

I'll have a chance to read more thoroughly later but this is the clause about modifying the common areas. I don't think my parking space would count as common though?

"The landlord shall have power at its discretion to alter the arrangement and extent (by reduction increase or otherwise), of the Common Parts Provided that after such alteration the access to and amenities of the premises are not substantially less convenient than before"

NeilCr

Have you only got one space per car? Is there any other parking available other than the car parks for residents with more than one car?

I guess if they only issued one permit per flat then the blank system might work - eg 15 permits on 15 cars so the attendant isn't that bothered if the car is actually in the right space

It does sound like there may be a problem with multiple car households who would, of course, have a fob.

Not disagreeing with Johnersh in any way - he knows far more than me. Just exploring the options!

ETA.

Just seen your last post. I am still inclined to the view that finding out who authorised the contract with the PPC and what they say their authority was might help squash this earlier.

LawlessGoose

NeilCr wrote: »

Have you only got one space per car? Is there any other parking available other than the car parks for residents with more than one car?

I guess if they only issued one permit per flat then the blank system might work - eg 15 permits on 15 cars so the attendant isn't that bothered if the car is actually in the right space

It does sound like there may be a problem with multiple car households who would, of course, have a fob.

Not disagreeing with Johnersh in any way - he knows far more than me. Just exploring the options!

ETA.

Just seen your last post. I am still inclined to the view that finding out who authorised the contract with the PPC and what they say their authority was might help squash this earlier.

Each apartment has only a single parking space as far as I'm aware.

NeilCr

LawlessGoose wrote: »

Each apartment has only a single parking space as far as I'm aware.

We have the same situation.

69 properties and one visitor space and a small bit of road. Really difficult for the number of residents who have more than one car!,

The other issue that does arise with fobs is that residents use them to allow friends and relatives in to park and visit. If your parking is tight and there is this type of misuse I can see why they might introduce permits.

LawlessGoose

NeilCr wrote: »

We have the same situation.

69 properties and one visitor space and a small bit of road. Really difficult for the number of residents who have more than one car!,

The other issue that does arise with fobs is that residents use them to allow friends and relatives in to park and visit. If your parking is tight and there is this type of misuse I can see why they might introduce permits.

I suppose my viewpoint is that parking schemes don't work. If they were a successful deterrent then the parking companies would be putting themselves out of business. If it's my space and if they don't have the right to interfere then I'd prefer they didn't.