The Great Speed Awareness Course Scam

George_Michael

Herzlos wrote: »

I think it's more cultural. The Germans are better drivers than Brits and thus get the freedom to go faster. That same set of roadworks and signs in the UK would be entirely ignored.

Is that why every single website showing the number of deaths on the roads shows that Germany has a far higher per capita rate than the UK?

Car_54

Herzlos wrote: »

It's kind of worrying how many drivers view themselves as above average. North of 75% IIRC.

They may be right. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Herzlos

Car_54 wrote: »

They may be right. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

Without getting into the average/mean derivatives, it's safe to assume that only 50% can be above average.

Cornucopia

It depends just how bad the bad drivers are.

Herzlos

George_Michael wrote: »

Is that why every single website showing the number of deaths on the roads shows that Germany has a far higher per capita rate than the UK?

That seems to be down to bad roads and unfamiliar drivers (Being that a lot of people drive through Germany to get somewhere else) than driving ability (lane and speed discipline). Presumably the odds of a fatality are much higher at much higher speeds too.

Car_54

Herzlos wrote: »

Without getting into the average/mean derivatives, it's safe to assume that only 50% can be above average.

It's far from safe.

E.g. Almost everyone has more than the average number of legs.

However, as driving ability is not monitored, we'll never know.

George_Michael

Herzlos wrote: »

That seems to be down to bad roads and unfamiliar drivers (Being that a lot of people drive through Germany to get somewhere else) than driving ability (lane and speed discipline). Presumably the odds of a fatality are much higher at much higher speeds too.

But surely the accident and death rates in Germany which are due to bad roads and higher driving speeds must mean that the drivers involved in those accidents are driving at speeds beyond their capabilities or not suitable for the road conditions, both of which makes them poor drivers.
I've driven in Spain of a few occasions (a country which also has a lot of motorists passing through) and although the standards of driving there is often fairly poor, their per capita death rate due to road accidents is far lower than Germany.

robatwork

George_Michael wrote: »

I've driven in Spain of a few occasions (a country which also has a lot of motorists passing through) and although the standards of driving there is often fairly poor, their per capita death rate due to road accidents is far lower than Germany.

Spain doesn't have the through traffic of Germany.

On the German roads you see a significant percentage of cars, vans, charabancs heading for the Balkans, Poland, Romania and beyond.

Some of them look unbelievably unsafe, overloaded, and "cruising" at about 70kph on a dual carriage motorway with no speed limit. I remarked on more than one occasion they should enforce a minimum limit as seeing those vehicles being passed at 200kph+ was scary.

Mercdriver

Am in South Korea at the moment, and you'd have to be an idiot or blind (or both) to get caught. They have police flashing lights by the side of the road flashing about 200m before the camera.

sgarrod79

I apologise for the necromancy with this thread but I just wanted to say that yes its a total scam. There is only one way to fight this, go to court with Telemetry and GPS data proving your speed and plead not guilty (yes it has been done, there is legal precedence, a man doing 28 was alleged to be going over 40 in a 30 he proved his actual speed in court) sadly its the most expensive option.

I recently got a NIP alleging I was doing 35 in a 30, total BS as I had two witnesses int he car who can confirm how fast I was going when I passed by the area the camera was (someone was tailgating me so I slowed right down to troll him) but sadly everything relies on what you can prove and without any evidence of my actual speed I am going to be presumed guilty.

It is a joke. We all need a black box on our cars that can prove speed in these cases in a court and maybe then this farce will end.