Enclosing a porch like area

HampshireH

Our house is a staggered end terrace. Its staggered by about 3 meters compared to next door. This means our front steps and pathway run alongside a wall to a 3m2 area which has a brick shed at one end (1m2) with full roof and then a paved area (2m2) in front of our front door. This all sits less than a meter above the walkthrough (also our land but with access for others)

We intend to enclose our 3m2 shed and paved area with a new composite door and glazed panel. Effectively making a porch. This all fits with porch requirements etc and no need for planning.

No additional brickwork required. Our window company have advised no party wall agreement is required as there is no need to tie into the wall its just a UPVC fame install. We have sought advice from 2 companies who have said the same thing.

Is anyone in the know or who specialises in this area able to confirm.

Furts

A photo is worth a hundred words. I cannot picture what you are trying to do. Over to you here, but are the frames going to be fixed into the neighbours wall, and will there be white silicone run all up and down their wall? Plus how and where does the new porch roof drain to?

HampshireH

Hiya

No new roof etc required or gutters. No brickwork. Just a frame with new door and glazing.

This wall right as you look at it was painted last weekend without notifying us. They paint half in a shiny sealer but all of the top layer of bricks all the way up our path but only half the wall beaneath it (very bizarre)

https://ibb.co/fY6BGd

molerat

I would love to know how they are going to make the frame secure without screwing it to the neighbour's wall !

HampshireH

Ive asked the question for advice. Nobody has said they wont need to screw into the wall.

However websites such as http://www.problemneighbours.co.uk/rights-under-party-wall-act.html

Have lead me to ask as they state you dont require party wall agree ment for drilling holes for screws.

molerat

HampshireH wrote: »

as there is no need to tie into the wall its just a UPVC fame install.

What does that mean then ? How long screws will they be using ?

HampshireH

They meant removing & tying in new brick work as you would with an extension

HampshireH

& I dont know how long the screws wi be because I haven't instructed anyone to do the work yet. Just seeking the advice /quotes so I can ensure we do what we need to do at the time

Furts

I cannot see any logic for making that a porch area - I would save my money. Being neighbourly you need to liase with your neighbour about your intentions. If I were the neighbour I would decline. You have nice architecture with your front door, shed and brickwork so why spoil it? There are millions of ugly, carbuncle porches dotted around the country - I would not want attached to my wall, but would be happy to see what you currently have.

You have not answered about silicone sealant - you have just answered on the screws, You cannot be running silicone up your neighbours wall on both faces of the porch frame. Neither can you be foam fixing.

HampshireH

Thankyou Furts. Whilst i apreciate you may not require additional storage space we do and one way of doing this would be to enclose this area so we had that. Hence exploring the idea.

We have spoken briefly to the neighbours so in no detail yet as like I said we are exploring the option.

Also no objections to serving party wall notice. Just needed to know if it is a legal requirement as websites and professional installers all appear to offer differing advice.

Most UPVC doors have a silicone seal at some point

On the topic of being neighbourly surely they should also have consulted us before painting a shiney substance up the wall which creates my steps, on my land, accessing it via our pathway and leaving it 2 different colours..

In relation to not being able to attach screws etc to the wall. Where the wall staggers on the other side of the house (so mirrored at the back) they have fitted screws and fittings. This, based on the above be my wall but facing into their garden. What is the difference?

Furts

HampshireH wrote: »

Thankyou Furts. Whilst i apreciate you may not require additional storage space we do and one way of doing this would be to enclose this area so we had that. Hence exploring the idea.

We have spoken briefly to the neighbours so in no detail yet as like I said we are exploring the option.

Also no objections to serving party wall notice. Just needed to know if it is a legal requirement as websites and professional installers all appear to offer differing advice.

Most UPVC doors have a silicone seal at some point

On the topic of being neighbourly surely they should also have consulted us before painting a shiney substance up the wall which creates my steps, on my land, accessing it via our pathway and leaving it 2 different colours..

In relation to not being able to attach screws etc to the wall. Where the wall staggers on the other side of the house (so mirrored at the back) they have fitted screws and fittings. This, based on the above be my wall but facing into their garden. What is the difference?

Of course they can coat their wall - I am guessing with Waterseal, or similar, and they may think there is a damp problem. If you do not like this what have you done to be proactive about making it meet your standards? Have you spoken? Have you offered to do something? Are you willing to coat the wall to make it meet your desires?



My stance is you should not be silicone beading their wall. It seems you accept this as normal practice.


Screws are trivia, and perhaps few would object. But you first have to discuss this.


But judging by your reply it sounds like you and, perhaps, your neighbour are best avoided.