Boundary and Our Rights?

Smodlet

Ref #10: I completely agree with you, Spatzer, and thank you so much for the clarification. No human and no dog has the right to enter another's garden without permission. Tiggers, on the other paw, have the right to the quiet, unimpeded enjoyment of any garden they claim as their territory, G_M! :mad: You clearly need at least half a dozen tiggers to invade yours and teach you furry manners. Tiggers are to be worshipped.

Invading neighbours are, in a civilised society, to be tasered (if only)

NeilCr

Spazter wrote: »

Smodlet thank you and there is no way we are blaming the cat. I love all animals and would never hurt any. The poor cat was frightened. It was the fact they (the human owner!) just climbed our fence and even though I was outside never asked if it was ok to go in our garden to catch the said cat.

I suppose some people don't mind people coming into their gardens as and when they please but to us our garden is ours and not for free for all (humans thats is just to clarify that we aren't talking about the cats that come into our garden!) without permission.

To be honest if my cat got out (he shouldn't as he is FiV) and I could see him in next door's garden I'd not worry about niceties and permission. I'd be over there to try and catch him before he went any further. Cats can panic (especially if they aren't used to being outside).

As a cat lover I guess you'd understand that.

Fosterdog

Spazter wrote: »

Smodlet thank you and there is no way we are blaming the cat. I love all animals and would never hurt any. The poor cat was frightened. It was the fact they (the human owner!) just climbed our fence and even though I was outside never asked if it was ok to go in our garden to catch the said cat.

I suppose some people don't mind people coming into their gardens as and when they please but to us our garden is ours and not for free for all (humans thats is just to clarify that we aren't talking about the cats that come into our garden!) without permission.

As much as I don't want random people coming into my garden if one of my pets escaped (particularly a house cat as they will be scared and unpredictable) I wouldn't waste any time knocking to ask permission, I would just go and get it and would expect other responsible owners to do the same. What did you expect them to do if they did ask permission and they said no? This isn't a child's toy that has come over but an animal that is likely to run away and go missing or get killed, my neighbours outrage would be the least of my concerns if it were me and you are being completely unreasonable even expecting them to ask first.

I would however knock later and apologise and explain that it was an emergency and not something I had time to discuss with them beforehand.

Smodlet

I think it would depend on circumstances. I would ask permission if at all practicable but the cat's welfare would definitely be the overriding consideration. Fences can be replaced, as can neighbours...

moneyistooshorttomention

Spazter wrote: »

Thanks Soot2006 the wall and fence is ours so Im not prepared to give it up without a battle. I have it on the deeds and on the TA6 but I can imagine how good that would have been to see her face as the 6ft fence went up anyway! Well worth the loss of a few inches!

Are you sure she's not trying to "set you up" to do precisely that? - as she's decided that is what she wants anyway.

Though I may be feeling unduly cynical - after watching some local "setting up" going on round here - and the "other party" was naive enough to fall for it:cool: (thankfully a firm - not myself - that just got taken for a mug).

Norman_Castle

Also they are climbing onto the wall and over our fence into our garden to recover their house cat that has escaped without asking us for the permission to come over our fence into our garden to fetch their house cat.

Their "house" cat hasn't escaped, its just gone outside. After 3 months it knows where it lives, if it likes them it will go home. If it got into your garden it will be able to get out again. Muppets.

moneyistooshorttomention

Davesnave wrote: »

Just to be clear, I'm not saying OP should give up any rights to own the wall etc, just not to waste money on solicitors trying to prove something that doesn't need proving. Neighbours like that talk a lot, but 10:1 they won't do anything, and if they do make enquiries via a solicitor, they'll only find out what the OP knows already.

Seconded.

One of the things my adjacent nfh was doing was trying to make out that "my" wall in between us was a joint wall.

I told them the evidence that it IS my wall (and it didn't involve paying a solicitor to tell them to !!!!!! either) - and that shut them up. They are pretty darn agressive - but they made no further moves on trying to claim that was the case, after I'd proved them wrong.

Spazter

Fosterdog wrote: »

As much as I don't want random people coming into my garden if one of my pets escaped (particularly a house cat as they will be scared and unpredictable) I wouldn't waste any time knocking to ask permission, I would just go and get it and would expect other responsible owners to do the same. What did you expect them to do if they did ask permission and they said no? This isn't a child's toy that has come over but an animal that is likely to run away and go missing or get killed, my neighbours outrage would be the least of my concerns if it were me and you are being completely unreasonable even expecting them to ask first.

I would however knock later and apologise and explain that it was an emergency and not something I had time to discuss with them beforehand.

I was in the garden at the time and they were at the top end of the garden they could have asked without knocking on our door and in the process of climbing over to get the cat they damaged our fencing pushing boards down. She then admitted in the conversation with the other neighbour that she had to go into their garden too only a few days before to get her cat as it was getting braver and going further away. I do not want people damaging my fences or coming into my garden is that so wrong of me to want? Yes I saw it as an emergency at the time hence why I never said anything at the time to then find later they are now nailing things to my fence. There comes a point where enough is enough.

It is the owners responsibility to keep the cat safe or risk injury if its free roaming, not my responsibility to give free access to climb my fence and run round my garden to recover said cat whenever they choose.

Smodlet

Spazter wrote: »

I was in the garden at the time and they were at the top end of the garden they could have asked without knocking on our door and in the process of climbing over to get the cat they damaged our fencing pushing boards down. She then admitted in the conversation with the other neighbour that she had to go into their garden too only a few days before to get her cat as it was getting braver and going further away. I do not want people damaging my fences or coming into my garden is that so wrong of me to want? Yes I saw it as an emergency at the time hence why I never said anything at the time to then find later they are now nailing things to my fence. There comes a point where enough is enough.

It is the owners responsibility to keep the cat safe or risk injury if its free roaming, not my responsibility to give free access to climb my fence and run round my garden to recover said cat whenever they choose.

Yes, they should have asked if you were there in the garden at the time, of course they should. It is also their risk if they allow their cat to behave like any normal cat and to go outside. That is the risk any human privileged to serve a cat runs. I hope said furry will be safe and not feel there are gardens where he or she is not welcome.

diggingdude

I'm not sure why people think having a car gives them the right of trespass. Ok I admit I'm not a cat fan, in my experience they !!!! in my garden not their own, but if you came over into my garden without permission you would be getting a bucket of water thrown at you if not worse.