MSE Poll: Should the railways be renationalised?
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Former_MSE_Karl Former MSEForumite
Poll started 12 June 2018We used to let the train take the strain; though in the last few weeks rail chaos has meant it's been the cause of it.
Privatisation over 20 years ago means our trains are currently run by 30 private rail firms. Could renationalising - taking it all back into public ownership - be the solution?
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This, plus poor quality of service - not cleaned properly with not working toilets is just impossible to justify the price. Bonuses of bosses paid annually instead makes me to think if I - and my fellow commuters - are nothing more than milking cows, living to pay rent, bills and transport?
Any other country in the world will have rail as most reliable and cheapest form of transport, but not here. One example - an off peak return travel between where I live and Bournemouth cost £115. I was better off to rent a car (diesel to pollute a bit more), pay for fuel and food and this was still less than travelling on damn train!
On another note, don’t you see that practically any industry that has been privatised and that affects lives of large population does notnwork anymore, because it is there TO MAKE A PROFIT to its board, not to make is rosy for the industry/business user; energy, water, transport, housing should be fully nationalized and looked after properly, instead being there to make huge money off the backs of hard working families of this country.
Now it is generally a far better experience. They have messed up with the new timetables and that is bad particularly for commuters but it will improve.
In fact the tracks and signals, where most of the problems arise, were re-nationalised in 2002. Has this improved the service? Also, as others have pointed out, many of the franchises are held by state-owned railways in other countries.
Massive taxpayer cost
Much poorer service
The destruction of support industries and the jobs that creates
The above would be the same for any industry. This is just a political campaign driven by the unions to re-establish their influence on these industries. Its a con against the working people who rely on these services. What qualifies a government to run these industries? leave it to industry experts.Less state control the better.
Look at the facts, and look at passenger volumes since privatization 750 million journeys in 1995, now 1750 Million journeys present day all due to improved services, and investment in customers.
But heaven help all you rail users if it is re-nationalised. At least I won't be affected. Haven't been on a train in years. You never know who's sat on the seat before you.
Lots of countries - notably the United States - have no effective national rail system. Most states in the USA don't have any effective state-wide public transport.
Even Switzerland has far fewer trains, with much greater padding in the timetable to recover from delays. Switzerland gets €5.8bn subsidy for 18.4bm passenger-km; UK is €4.4bn for 65.1bn passenger-km.
If people want better rail services into London then a lot of very expensive buildings (and people's homes, and the countryside) are going to have to be knocked down or built on to accommodate the new lines and stations required, because with the best will in the world the network is beyond capacity and we can't add more capacity as fast as demand grows. And that will have to be paid for.