Prepping for Brexit thread

Pennydropped

Can I ask what do preppers do with their stash after a couple of years when it is no longer potable or edible (apart from cans and tins that last forever)

I replace as I use things, over the winter, so that it stays at generally the same level, and within reasonable date. Then we use it more in the late spring/summer, and restock in autumn again.

fuddle

melanzana wrote: »

Can I ask what do preppers do with their stash after a couple of years when it is no longer potable or edible (apart from cans and tins that last forever)

Preppers don't have that problem. They have the common sense to roll their stocks i.e. rotate using up the older items when replacing with new. Preppers also have the common sense not to stash foods that aren't shelf stable.

dreaming

melanzana wrote: »

Can I ask what do preppers do with their stash after a couple of years when it is no longer potable or edible (apart from cans and tins that last forever)

The idea is that you rotate it so although you have, say, a 2 year stash, you actually do use it but replace it as you go along. A sort of "rolling" stock. I have read about prepping in places like America, where despite being a (questionably) first world country, some take it extremely seriously (many have bought land and dug wells etc. to provide their own water supplies). Not anything I would do even if I had the land/money/physical ability but I am absolutely fascinated by other ways of life, and also love a good, dystopian science fiction story. As I said earlier about this thread, I take what I want from it and disregard the rest, but I hope I never get so fixed in my ideas that I can't learn from others even if I modify or moderate their ideas.
Right tea, then bed Maybe we will all wake tomorrow and find it has all been a dream. Goodnight.

silverwhistle

I have to say that I can see where Melanzana is coming from (which reminds me I must try again next year and grow some again). I've got enough wine for a year at a bottle a week, plenty of flour as I bake my own and I can never resist picking up anchovies and tinned tomatoes when they are on offer, quite a few bottles of olive oil that I buy on holiday and this week I shall be in Lidl for Spanish week stocking up with their anchovy stuffed olives!

But I don't consider myself a prepper, and sometimes this thread seems a bit overwrought or 'exuberant' was the word Zeupater used. But I'd have to strongly take issue with his analysis that the negotiations are going badly because of people opposed to Brexit. I just see people, who understand their own business and sector trying to fight their corners or, much more worryingly, trying to find out what the plans are amidst worrying uncertainty.


What's the use of worrying, it never was worthwhile... but I still might buy a few more tins of anchovy tomorrow, reduced in Aldi.:D Getting fresh mozzarella for my pizzas might become a little more difficult!

fuddle

Prepping has never been popular. The prepping thread is often visited by people who wish to ridicule. I do 'get it'. We're a bunch of silly worry worts who are hiding from the world from behind our bags of flour. 9 years ago to the very week I didn't have a store cupboard. We also didn't have a home and we had no way of getting out of a financial mess. We scrabbled about rebuilding a life in a damp rental with a heavy handed attitude landlord.

I came to OS because we struggled to heat and eat. I learned how to prepare my house for winter -taped bubble wrap to windows, stuffed carrier bags into a pillow case as a draught excluder and so on and on. I came to the fence thread and learned about padding out meals with oats and lentils, having a soup starter to fill ourselves so as not to need to consume much in the way of meat that we couldn't afford and I went to preppers who taught me that I need never go hungry, even in financial difficulty, If I have a working store cupboard. I have a psychological need to have a well stocked store cupboard. That is what life has taught me.That is my crux.That is how I keep my family safe. It now goes beyond that in terms of I have a well stocked wood store and working on a coal store too. I have cash in the house in case of technical issues with the bank.

All these things are quite relevant to prepping for Brexit but while so many of you are upset at the sheer thought of such madness towards the idea of this silly, stupid situation that we all find ourselves in together, so much of that is directed towards people who have already struggled in their lives and most probably much worse than what this Brexit mess will throw at them.

Preppers do have common sense. The logic might not be understood but by goodness, preppers are ingenious people with oodles of nouse. They have to be because many have flown by the seat of their pants at some point.

G'night.

zeupater

melanzana wrote: »

Why should our country's citizens have to worry about this at all?

There should be no supply chain drops ever.

I bet Theresa May will not have to stock up anything. As usual it is the ordinary person who will worry. Rees Mogg will be in Dublin, Boris will be fine.

Some UK people seem to thrive on penury and kow towing to our betters.

I am sorry if I may have offended anyone, and perhaps this is not the thread to say it. But honestly...... where is the common sense gone now?

Hi

I'm not worried, above that you'll probably find that anyone with a forward looking view isn't too worried either ... it seems like the only ones attempting to convey a sense of worry on this thread and in other places are the ones with vested interests in creating worry in order to some way have an influence on what Brexit actually looks like, either that or they're in total denial ...

Talking about common sense, we live in a village that's not too far from a market town, so our own logistics issues include country lanes and the like, but at least we're not in the middle of nowhere with no amenities ... the application of common sense here would suggest that anything likely to run short in any of the supermarkets will have long gone before we'd be able to get there even if we left in a panic-buying spree at the same time as everyone else ...

Regarding supply chain disruption ... it happens all of the time even in the largest of industries, but the issue is that they're normally well mitigated by well established contingency plans so most don't even appreciate what's gone on to keep things working ... think about a company running a just-in-time supply chain through Dover and what they do when the potential stormy weather which could affect the logistics is forecast ... well, at a lower level the supply of food into many/most households is conducted on a JiT basis too, people shop, eat, run out ... rinse & repeat, usually on a weekly basis .... Brexit can simply be seen as a forecast of conditions that could potentially impact on the supply of certain goods which are sourced from within the EU for a short period of time whilst new working procedures are settled in (if necessary!) .... it's simple really, if it comes from the EU (as opposed to from the UK or anywhere else) and you definitely can't live without it for a short time, just hold more stock than usual, and if it's got a short shelf life think about a suitable alternative (think fresh tomatoes or olives & tinned tomatoes or jars of olives!) ... that's all it comes down to for us!

HTH
Z

zeupater

silverwhistle wrote: »

.... But I don't consider myself a prepper, and sometimes this thread seems a bit overwrought or 'exuberant' was the word Zeupater used. But I'd have to strongly take issue with his analysis that the negotiations are going badly because of people opposed to Brexit. I just see people, who understand their own business and sector trying to fight their corners or, much more worryingly, trying to find out what the plans are amidst worrying uncertainty.

What's the use of worrying, it never was worthwhile... but I still might buy a few more tins of anchovy tomorrow, reduced in Aldi.:D Getting fresh mozzarella for my pizzas might become a little more difficult!

Hi

In defence & for clarity ... Regarding the pace of Brexit negotiations, I'm pretty sure that I didn't mention that negotiations were going badly, just that forms of intentional delay ensured that "less opportunity for planning a route through the process prior to leaving is available" - here's the paragraph in question ...

The more the argument & indecision raised & caused by those still haven't accepted that we'll be leaving the EU, the less opportunity for planning a route through the process prior to leaving is available ... Brexit could have been a relatively straightforward process if the ideology & emotions of those in denial (within the UK & EU) hadn't got (/weren't still getting) in the way ..

It's likely that there'd be general agreement that the EU and it's institutions aren't too happy and therefore logically have an interest in opposing the idea that the population of the UK have chosen/decided to leave through their accepted democratic process, which would likely also be the case for a good proportion of multinational organisations (on a vested interests basis), UK civil servants with career ambitions that include Brussels and many others for which the additional workload involved in delivering a change process within a set timescale is particularly unwelcome ... surely there's merit in assessing that delay & a degree of 'stirring' would be particularly welcomed as being beneficial by these groups (amongst others) in the hope that there'll eventually be movement, especially if everyone else doesn't realise that the initial logistical storm that's being forecast (the one we're interested in within this thread) is likely akin to that contained in a teacup than a full howler ... effectively it's not really a contentious assessment.

For the majority of companies already trading on a truly international basis with global supply lines there's already a great deal of contingency planning for various situation that can be directly applied, as for handling EU trade reporting & customs, well that really comes down to a variation on intrastat reporting, which would also be the basis for categorisation for any trade deals as all of the codes applicable to EU trade already exist in the required detail with both parties fully aware of the value of each commodity & product crossing borders ... any analogy between rocket science and any trade negotiation process just doesn't stand up to scrutiny, in real terms it's little more than a straight tick list with a calculator and a score-card! ... but it still suits those concerned to establish a view that they'll be working very, very hard ... this is why I believe that what happens in the long term on the really important negotiations, the trade deal, will be relatively straightforward as long as there's political will from both sides ... if not it's straight to WTO and both Brussels & Westminster get beaten up by a myriad of powerful industry lobbies until they finally make reasonable trade deal progress ..

Anyway, we too enjoy a number of continental cheeses, however, if the weather's decent on Friday or Saturday we'll be checking out some alternative local(ish) suppliers ... not that I'm worried about supply, it's just something we do in August most years & we do like to support local supply!

HTH
Z

maryb

Life throws us all sorts of curve balls. I find it a bit odd to say it's unfair that we should have to deal with one stemming from wider forces outside our control. Middle class professionals starting their careers in the 1970s never expected to have to deal with redundancy in an advanced economy.

In fact, my own view is that prepping for Brexit probably won't involve much more upheaval than prepping for a bad winter. But the specifics might be different so I need to think about what might be hard to get hold of for a while.

moneyistooshorttomention

On a positive thought - and I'd be willing to bet there are those of an entrepreneural cast of mind already "prepping" to head over to the Continent with lorries/stock them up with food at the nearest supermarket or wholesaler and re-emerge selling them back here in our markets.

Well - I certainly would be reviewing my options in their position (ie with lorry/driving skills/etc) and planning to top up my bank account by buying & selling like that.

A 21st century version of the Booze Cruise - clinking back across the channel with lots of bottles of booze bought abroad

Guess my own prepping ought to be thinking in terms of what places near me they're likely to sell stuff like that.....

tori.k

For the majority of companies already trading on a truly international basis with global supply lines.

I think people forget this is actually a lot bigger than just the EU with the US applying Trumps tariffs has had a massive effect on the British Steel, with the US facing there own trade wars with the world.
There is always a way forward if you look at Russia with the trade sanctions they have the EU is still there biggest importer regardless of tensions. and supposedly less public debt, less poverty and unemployment then the UK with higher population.

I heard a good comparison the other day this cycle of growth driven by consumption (GDP) actually happens in nature we call it Cancer