Prepping for Brexit thread

Honey_Bear

maryb wrote: »

However I can't let one thing pass. I disagree strongly with Jacob Rees Mogg on innumerable issues. But he did NOT say it will be 50 years before we see any benefit from leaving. He said the benefits would flow over the course of the next 50 years. Quite different. In effect he was saying that our children's lives will be better than they would have been.

Whether or not you agree with him is a matter of debate but not one I will enter into. I will continue to concentrate on keeping my glass topped up

Here's the clip for the exact wording.

Prepping is a political act. It presupposes that the government will not be able to manage either the economy or the welfare to the benefit of a country's citizens.

During the war hoarding was regarded as 'not the done thing.' How times have changed.

moneyistooshorttomention

....and some of us are seeing potential "silver linings".

I swear there's a lot more tourists round the area I'm living in (ie West Wales) than in any year since I moved here. Guess right now - it's down to global warming creating huge temperatures abroad or the fact that this part of the country is that little bit cooler on average than, say, Southern England.

But they are here - and they're spending....

littlegreenparrot

I am a rather anxious pragmatist who finds comfort with a plan.

I am capable of winding myself up so much I'm incapable of doing anything, so am trying not to engage to much with the doom laden atmosphere.

I understand the possible implications, there are more significant ones than me not being able to get the fancy tomatoes I'm partial to.
Partly because the negotiations seem to be a pigs ear.

But as an individual I cannot live in fear of the unknown when I can have no impact on it. The normal prepping stuff applies, food in the cupboard, batteries in the torch, fuel for the camp stove, a bit of cash put by. I've needed them before for other reasons, may need it again.

tori.k

Honey_Bear wrote: »

Here's the clip for the exact wording.

Prepping is a political act. It presupposes that the government will not be able to manage either the economy or the welfare to the benefit of a country's citizens.

During the war hoarding was regarded as 'not the done thing.' How times have changed.

If you want to be pedantic prepping wasn't frowned upon pre-war it was adding to the stocks once rationing was in place that would land you in a world of trouble.
This is a pre-preparedness thread
The ministry of food actively encouraged as much self sufficiency as possible with the Dig for Victory campaign and the chicken and pig clubs.
As humans we have always stored food for future use we wouldn't have lasted the winters if we didn't.

humptydumptybits

lessonlearned wrote: »

Mrs LW you are right as always.

Whilst I'm not an ostrich and I fully appreciate that we may not be in for an easy ride I genuinely believe that all this doom and gloom mongering does no good at all. Project Fear and all that is just a sheer waste of time and energy.

I'm a roll up your sleeves and get stuck in kind of gal, always was, always will be.

What we need is for everyone to grow a backbone, stop whinging and start getting their heads round how they are going to not only survive but thrive. How they are going to look after themselves, their loved ones and maybe help their communities where they can.

I too have been poor, cold and hungry. So what ......it didnt kill me. But what it did do was give me the drive, ambition and determination to build myself a decent life. A determination which I still have to this day.

Am I going to let Project Fear reduce me to a quivering wreck, whimpering in the corner.

Absolutely not!!!! I am no quitter. I'm going to get ready and meet the challenges that I face head on. Same as always.

I agree to some extent but I do have worries. When we are told that medication might be in short supply while customs etc gets sorted out it is a big worry to me. My husband is disabled and uses a variety of medication and it would be difficult if we ran out, I have a chronic condition and if my med disappeared for a few weeks the organ damage would be difficult to cope with, ultimately it could be fatal but I imagine (hope) it would get sorted out before that happened. My doctor will only give me a prescription for 8 weeks supply and if I need it early (say if I am going on holiday) he won't issue it without a reason. I will be due a prescription at the end of Feb, early March and it will run out in April. I think it is reasonable for me to have concerns about that as it could kill me.


On a practical note I'm thinking of seeing a private doctor to get a prescription for an extra couple of months. It is difficult as I don't believe in private health care so do I stand by my principles or take the practical route?

Mrs_Salad_Dodger

I am also not a person for private health care but if I were you I would take the practical route. Not to put too fine a point on it - your principles will not keep you healthy. I apologise if that sounds harsh & I do not mean to offend.

MrsSD

humptydumptybits

Mrs_Salad_Dodger wrote: »

I am also not a person for private health care but if I were you I would take the practical route. Not to put too fine a point on it - your principles will not keep you healthy. I apologise if that sounds harsh & I do not mean to offend.

MrsSD

I'm not offended and I know it is the sensible thing to do but not everyone can afford it and it makes me feel bad about buying my way out of trouble. I think to myself it is ok for Theresa May I bet she's made sure she will get her insulin but I'm think of doing the same thing. I'm struggling with it.

mattpaint

zeupater wrote: »

Hi

In earlier posts there's reference to what you post " .. is not scare-mongering", however the posts you've made continually do a very good job of attempting to do just that ... scaremonger ...

This is not the thread to vent anger at any particular colour/flavour of politicians or attempt to sway public opinion to a remain cause, it's simply one where anyone who has accepted that Brexit is almost certainly going to happen in some form or other share information to mitigate the impact of any trans-border product supply issues which may arise. What I've seen over the past few pages seem to be regurgitation of argument seen elsewhere, much of which can easily be challenged ... taking a sample just from the above-referenced post as an example ...

- " prices will drop and next year the farmers will produce less" .. in which case there will be considerable pressure from the individual EU countries placed on Brussels to urgently negotiate a fair trading agreement on perishable goods to prevent economic impact, so the 'project fear' point raised becomes self defeating even from an EU standpoint ...

- " .. See here for WTO tariffs on beef and lamb." ... So, the only reference to tariff details that contains are an industry view of EU border tariffs for imports, not WTO ... interestingly that link actually describes how much the EU penalises imports to protect the internal market ... for example product code 02011000 (Carcases or half-carcases) 12.8% + 176.8 euros/100kg - effectively increases the cost of beef imports by 84% and for sheep carcasses the data shows +46% ... from a consumer pricing point that seems to be something the could have a positive impact on supermarket shelf pricing!. The report also shows an opportunity for the UK to meet a greater proportion of it's own internal market in this sector - addressing this could effectively halve the import requirement in this particular sector with the remainder sourced globally if the EU are slow to agree a fair trade treaty in this sector - Argentina, Brazil, USA & Australia readily come to mind whether on a WTO or negotiated trade deal basis ... it's likely a win/win for UK consumers, a win/loss for UK producers & a loss/loss for EU producers, so again, massive pressure on Brussels to up their performance from various parts of the continent.

- ".. And I for one .." ... Okay, accepted, there'll be problems with regulating & approval bodies if someone really wants to make them to prove a point by intentionally shortening the potential lifespan of others ... however, the consequences of attempting this would likely be pretty severe if (/when) applying existing EU law & treaty provisions ... what really needs to be understood is that both the medical supplies industry & the medical instrumentation companies exist on a global basis and as such are not controlled by the EU ... in other words, alternative source likely exist for most things and as internationalised standards equivalence already exist in a global market, issues raised regarding this point are usually well exaggerated by those looking to 'scaremonger' for some reason or other ...

- "We won't be flying to Europe .." - Fine, then we'll be staying at home or flying elsewhere in the opposite direction .... the issue here is that both UK sovereign airspace and UK controlled airspace are currently managed as part of the European Common Aviation Area ... fine, so the likely outcome of not entering into a bilateral aviation agreement & intentionally manufacturing problems for UK flights to EU destinations would be the closure of almost all current EU source transatlantic routes in UK controlled airspace whilst the eastern Atlantic air operations (SOCC) based at Prestwick are fully duplicated within the EU (likely Shannon in Ireland), however, the cost & disruption (ie heavily restricted (/no) transatlantic flights to/from Europe) of actually doing this in the short-term would be immense and therefore something to avoid by relatively straightforward negotiation .... so is this argument really something to stress over, or is it simply another 'project fear' attempt to scaremonger? - well, a few more UK & EU summers like this one & it'll be a moot point, I've no issue with 'staycations' whilst the negotiators discover that it's a 'storm in a teacup' - anyone else?

The more the argument & indecision raised & caused by those still haven't accepted that we'll be leaving the EU, the less opportunity for planning a route through the process prior to leaving is available ... Brexit could have been a relatively straightforward process if the ideology & emotions of those in denial (within the UK & EU) hadn't got (/weren't still getting) in the way ..

Less scaremongering would be good overall, but on this thread it makes little difference .... we here are more likely to already have some form of plan than the 'experts' who are supposed to be planning!

HTH
Z

I have to say it's a really bizarre point that leavers keep making that remainers are causing issues with Brexit.

Where was the brilliant plan? The easiest negotiation in the history of negotiation? Where has it all gone?

lessonlearned

humptydumptybits wrote: »

I'm not offended and I know it is the sensible thing to do but not everyone can afford it and it makes me feel bad about buying my way out of trouble. I think to myself it is ok for Theresa May I bet she's made sure she will get her insulin but I'm think of doing the same thing. I'm struggling with it.

Humpty.......no one can help you with your conscience, I'm afraid that's up to you to decide.

May I suggest before you make any decisions you speak to your husbands medical team and your own GP. Maybe the NHS is making contingency plans, maybe not.

There's no point in trying to second guess, probably best to find out from the horses mouth where you stand. I guess a lot will depend on the shelf life of the meds in question.

Whilst The NHS may not actually give medications to patients in advance - I think they have very strict guidelines....they might be quietly getting organised. They probably wouldn't want to advertise the fact that they are stockpiling drugs, especially if they are being kept in surgeries or local chemists. Too easy to rob.

However, one thing I can tell you......my sister works for a certain well known chemist chain......they have been having supply problems across a range of meds for a couple of years now...... nothing to do with Brexit. And it isn't just their chain either, she tells me that their main competitors are having the same issues.

TBH. Whatever anyone's personal viewpoint as to whether Brexit is a good or a bad thing one thing that is being highlighted is just how vulnerable the U.K. really is. I think we have outsourced far too many essential goods and services, it's time we brought them home again. Its time we started taking care of business and begin manufacturing for ourselves again.

We have become far too reliant on imports. I've held this view for a long time. Long before Brexit was a gleam in Cameron's eye I have felt that the U.K. was in a precarious position. Yes, without a doubt Brexit is the catalyst but it was always only a question of time before the chickens came home to roost.

If it wasn't Brexit it would have been something else.

humptydumptybits

I've noticed the problem with med shortages. Every time I collect a prescription for my husband something seems to be missing and I have to go back a few days later to collect the missing item. Got a prescription this week and as I was waiting I noticed every person collecting meds was told at least one item was missing. This just makes my worries increase as if it is a problem now how much worse will it be next April?


My DIL is a doctor so I will speak to her next time I see her and ask what she thinks. I know the govt are supposed to be issuing advice this month so hope med advice will be included.