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southcoastrgi

I don't resent running a business, it's probably a good job you can do all these things yourself as I couldn't see anyone wanting to work for you, oh btw I charge £60 p/h if you want your boiler fixed so you better do some more overtime

scd3scd4

southcoastrgi wrote: »

What consensus is that then ?

The problem with people like you is that you have absolutely no idea how much it costs to actually run a business, you potter of to work & then come home again having all your sick days & holidays paid for & not having to worry about anything, what about the trade that has to go out & price a job for no pay, pay insurances, cover the hours when they have no work, the list goes on & on, so if we take your ridiculous figure of £20 then the trade would be lucky to see 50% of that for all the hassle of running a business

ohhhhh.......don't forget the 1.5, double time and triple over-time rates. Nice little pension plus some lovely shares and call out pay. ;-]

Doozergirl

Pdbaggett wrote: »

Go get another job if you resent running your own business so much then. I thought people ran their own business for the love of it not solely for profit. The amount of pressure and responsibility I have to deal with on a day to day basis in my job to earn £20+ an hour is unbelievable so yes I'm going to turn my nose up at someone wanting £20+ an hour to tile a floor or dig a garden up...

As for the "pro's" don't make me laugh the amount of times I have seen work performed from so called pros that is horrendous, shoddy and bordering on dangerous is laughable.

I can also unequivocally guarantee, you would not be able to tell my bathroom install from that of "pro" if we are going to use that phrase to determine quality.

Do feel free to post up a picture of your bathroom. I'm genuinely interested to see the quality of your taking out a toilet and putting new one in. In fact, feel free to post any of your work.

Luckily enough, many of us run our own businesses for both love and for profit. And the benefit of being able to choose one's clients.

Pdbaggett

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Kitchen and washroom, before and after I'm sure depending on how pedantic you want to be you can find things to pick up on. Ignore the fridge in the kitchen it's an old pic I build an enclosure for it since then as it's integrated.

Bearing in mind I live in the north in quite a deprived area with an average wage of something in the region of 16k and one of the highest levels of unemployment in England. It's very very easy to price your self out of a job up here.

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pineapple

Just to end (maybe) on a humorous note I once arranged for an ex (a plumber) to do a plumbing repair. We had parted on good terms so I thought at the least I would get a decent job at a fair price. The actual job didn't take long and he spent most of the time drinking tea and chatting me up. So imagine my shock when the bill came and I found he had started his hourly rate clock from the time he left his premises (I lived about 4 miles away) plus I had been charged for all the chat up time .
After an 'exchange of words' with his office, I paid what I thought was fair and it never went any further.

Pdbaggett

genau wrote: »

On a slightly different note why does it seem that despite the demand there is a decrease in really good tradesman? Is it just there's not many going into training? Does anybody remember between 2005 - 20010 it was often in the news about the shortage of plumbers but yet there seems to be just as few now as there was then?

Pdbaggett your work does look very nice! The black kitchen with blue LED's is quite distinctive and bold. How long did that take to fit if you don't mind me asking?

The kitchen it's self not really sure to be honest, I did it all my self in between working 10 - 12 hour shifts so it was just if and when I had time, more often than not I was working till 6am coming home sleeping till 11 then working on the house till I had to go to work again at 6pm. Everything was just done in dribs and drabs and a lot of the stuff I sourced off eBay and the internet like the sink and worktop ect (material was budget really as it's my first house and the purchase wipes my savings out) so it took me months but probably a week or two if I was working none stop.

pineapple

genau wrote: »

On a slightly different note why does it seem that despite the demand there is a decrease in really good tradesman? Is it just there's not many going into training? Does anybody remember between 2005 - 20010 it was often in the news about the shortage of plumbers but yet there seems to be just as few now as there was then?

I'm in Cumbria now near Kirkby Stephen and it is absolutely dire. Plumbers, electricians, builders, stove fitters, joiners etc are in such demand that sometimes they are booked up a year in advance - or you have to persist and make repeated phone calls just to get on someone's radar. It makes the idea of getting estimates or quotes and comparing them laughable. You are simply grateful that someone - anyone - will come and even just look at your job. This is the first place I have lived where they say 'Can't you find anyone else to do it? '

Doozergirl

genau wrote: »

On a slightly different note why does it seem that despite the demand there is a decrease in really good tradesman? Is it just there's not many going into training? Does anybody remember between 2005 - 20010 it was often in the news about the shortage of plumbers but yet there seems to be just as few now as there was then?

Because people don't value their work.

This thread being a case in point. Barely anybody has DIY skills anymore, they expect people to come out and do tiny jobs for them, which costs the tradesperson a lot in overheads and wasted time between jobs, but resent paying £20 an hour because they don't value the job and value their own jobs higher.

So many people deem tradespeople as being humans of lesser value, so it isn't valued as a decent career path.

The good tradespeople work on chunky jobs for people who place value on them or just let them get on with things without too many questions. I am in awe at the skill of some of the people that work for me and I adore how they can turn my ideas into reality. They don't come with customer service training.

Pdbaggett

Doozergirl wrote: »

Because people don't value their work.

This thread being a case in point. Barely anybody has DIY skills anymore, they expect people to come out and do tiny jobs for them, which costs the tradesperson a lot in overheads and wasted time between jobs, but resent paying £20 an hour because they don't value the job and value their own jobs higher.

So many people deem tradespeople as being humans of lesser value, so it isn't valued as a decent career path.

The good tradespeople work on chunky jobs for people who place value on them or just let them get on with things without too many questions. I am in awe at the skill of some of the people that work for me and I adore how they can turn my ideas into reality. They don't come with customer service training.

It's really not as simple as that at all, I certainly value the work of trades people, my close friend is a heating enginner, one is a mechanical engineer and my father who retired this year was an electrician since leaving school.

I also don't begrudge people a fair wage, hell I spent 8 year slogging my guts out in a supermarket bakery for minimum wage after uni so I know how it feels to be over worked and under appreciated. But I'll still stand to the point when someone is quoting me into the thousands of pounds just for labour of re fitting a washroom or over a thousand to build decking in the garden I personally don't see it as justified, once again taking my location into consideration.

Someone is coming this week to paint the Sofits and other wooden features on my house, he turned up when he said and quoted fairly and I agreed straight away. Which is how it should work he's well recommend and I'll leave him to his own devices and pay his on a satisfactory job. It's not rocket science.

There's a fine line between people under valueing work and people over valueing their own.

maisie_cat

The thing with bathrooms and kitchens is that you have no idea what you are going to uncover. The assumption might be that it a simple remove and replace like for like position wise. Removing the bath might then reveal that the bath waste is held together with gaffer tape and the waste pipe is a washing machine hose (not joking) by the time new 40mm waste pipe and fixings are ordered, collected and fitted, there is your day. Insert other similar scenarios and you'll get the idea.