Noise from neighbours what next?

dekaspace

I posted in past, I let a lot of things slide (just vented on this site) neighbour last year for example had a 18 hour party with 30-50 kids running and screaming and dropping toys,I politely spoke to neighbour who gave me the "kids will be kids" and "it was a special one off occasion" I let it slide and it went silent in summer and flared up after new school year but still I let it slide till I politely spoke to neighbour after Christmas after I had multiple post midnight parties keeping me awake, got the same as before and changing stories, let it slide again until in space of a week she had drunk friends to 5am stomping and screaming, dancing, loud music and a few days later a kids party with 30+ kids in her house and a party that lasted to midnight.


I spoke to her again and got the usual "kids will be kids" "its a one off" Oh and each time she claimed she makes zero noise and in fact its the neighbours above her that I can hear due to thin walls (a lie)


I eventually complained to council and she was at my door agressive with a man she claimed in past was her husband, another time her babysitter, and another time I was hearing things/he didn't exist and agressive trying to tell me I was hearing things.


Anyway that "man who doesn't exist" I see at her house daily, her going in his car, him pulling up, him taking the dog out for walk, him in my garden waving his fist and shouting abuse at me.


Its relevant to me, as she claims shes a single mum and thus cannot make noise, another get out she said was her kids don't make noise her guests kids do so it cannot be counted etc.


Since this all happened just after New Year I get extreme noise, and in past 3 or so weeks since the nice weather daily 4 or so cars pull up, 2 adults, 2/3 kids per car sometimes even more cars, kids running about screaming, chasing the dog which barks, even had the ADULTS knock on my door laughing and run off whilst faking dog barking sounds (the complaint I made months ago was about noise from dog and kids) when we had snow a few months back they were encouraging their kids to chuck snowballs at my windows, had water poured over my head once when I went into my garden which they claimed was an "accident"


Council says as the majority of noise is from kids they can't do anything about it, but does do witnesses but officially they are mainly available for a few hours from Friday-Sunday evening.


Outside of moving what can I do? Is this not intimidation? Im fed up of being woken up, when I have to wake at 6 for work/college I don't like being woken or kept awake to like midnight or just after, or only having a small period of peace in daytime or evening.

moneyistooshorttomention

Maybe she couldnt afford the place on her own? - ie if she had to admit to the DWP that she's not the "single mum" she is claiming to be.

I'm assuming she is claiming benefit? I guess that's a pretty safe assumption to make in the circumstances - as it certainly doesnt sound like she's getting her income from a job.

GSDPenny

I'm sorry I have no advice, but I have to say in your shoes I would move. It sounds awful, and I suspect is only going to get worse if you complain any further, and you'll be super sensitive to any disturbances from now on.

moneyistooshorttomention

GSDPenny wrote: »

I'm sorry I have no advice, but I have to say in your shoes I would move. It sounds awful, and I suspect is only going to get worse if you complain any further, and you'll be super sensitive to any disturbances from now on.

On that front - what sort of occupancy have you got on the one hand or has she got on the other hand?

Is she renting - and, if so, is it from a private or public sector landlord?

Are you renting or are you a home-owner?

dekaspace

Its social housing, she put down laminate flooring which is against the terms and is a big contributor to the noise, she also got a dog on Christmas Eve which she lied to me and claimed she was "babysitting" at first then the "owner" didn't come back from abroad so she had to keep it and she didn't want it to go to a rehoming kennel.


Mediation was originally agreed after Christmas, but she knocked on my door at the time and begged me to not go ahead, then when I said it would she went "oh I can't go but my male friend can go" that guy who she has told me doesn't exist/her babysitter/her husband.


I didn't go ahead because I thought we came to an agreement and she said noise won't happen again (outside of special occasions)


Im thinking noise is either, she really does have a babysitter and they are bringing round friends as the tenant claims to do night shifts at work and friend babysits during day, even if thats the case its unlikey she doesn't know this.


Theres so much that can go any way, I remember last time we spoke normally before the intimidation started I said I heard a lot of shouting at kids and the dog she went "oh thats my babysitter, she likes a drink" thats as in alcohol, so a person drinking looking after kids!


When she shouted at me after the complaint she said she was going away for 4 days so I couldn't hear noise then, if I did it was in my head.


Well those 4 days were 4 days of partying with loud men coming and going and screaming at my door shouting at it. so again maybe her babysitter or whatever had keys and let their friends come round.


Its hard to tell her finances, she has a expensive phone and a car, her invisible husband/boyfriend/babysitter has a expensive car, she back when we were speaking would tell me she would go on holidays abroad etc.


EDIT: I did speak of this on another thread before and didn't want to gossip but people I tell about it, and my own suspicions is something like a illegal nursery, when I see like 5 cars pull up and 2/3 kids per car, people going upstairs, 15-30 minutes of adult noise and then the cars leave but kids scream it sounds like kids are either being dumped in the spare room with 1 adult in house "babysitting" thats if theres an adult at all, as I have heard occasions where a child has cried for over a hour in the kids bedroom and sounds of adults even pacing about.

Cakeguts

dekaspace wrote: »

Its social housing, she put down laminate flooring which is against the terms and is a big contributor to the noise, she also got a dog on Christmas Eve which she lied to me and claimed she was "babysitting" at first then the "owner" didn't come back from abroad so she had to keep it and she didn't want it to go to a rehoming kennel.


Mediation was originally agreed after Christmas, but she knocked on my door at the time and begged me to not go ahead, then when I said it would she went "oh I can't go but my male friend can go" that guy who she has told me doesn't exist/her babysitter/her husband.


I didn't go ahead because I thought we came to an agreement and she said noise won't happen again (outside of special occasions)


Im thinking noise is either, she really does have a babysitter and they are bringing round friends as the tenant claims to do night shifts at work and friend babysits during day, even if thats the case its unlikey she doesn't know this.


Theres so much that can go any way, I remember last time we spoke normally before the intimidation started I said I heard a lot of shouting at kids and the dog she went "oh thats my babysitter, she likes a drink" thats as in alcohol, so a person drinking looking after kids!


When she shouted at me after the complaint she said she was going away for 4 days so I couldn't hear noise then, if I did it was in my head.


Well those 4 days were 4 days of partying with loud men coming and going and screaming at my door shouting at it. so again maybe her babysitter or whatever had keys and let their friends come round.


Its hard to tell her finances, she has a expensive phone and a car, her invisible husband/boyfriend/babysitter has a expensive car, she back when we were speaking would tell me she would go on holidays abroad etc.


EDIT: I did speak of this on another thread before and didn't want to gossip but people I tell about it, and my own suspicions is something like a illegal nursery, when I see like 5 cars pull up and 2/3 kids per car, people going upstairs, 15-30 minutes of adult noise and then the cars leave but kids scream it sounds like kids are either being dumped in the spare room with 1 adult in house "babysitting" thats if theres an adult at all, as I have heard occasions where a child has cried for over a hour in the kids bedroom and sounds of adults even pacing about.

Have you recorded the noise? I would get very good recording equipment and CCTV for evidence.


If she has got a lot of children in there with only one adult what would happen if there was fire?

dekaspace

Cakeguts wrote: »

Have you recorded the noise? I would get very good recording equipment and CCTV for evidence.


If she has got a lot of children in there with only one adult what would happen if there was fire?

I did mention to one of the anti social team I phoned months ago about that and they did mention health and safety, but nothing else I think the problem is proving it.


CCTV might be doable, I have a cheap camera I got for £10 a few years back, it might be black and white only only issues I see is it needs connected to a tv/recorder to record it doesn't do it by itself and the cable is only a few feet long.

moneyistooshorttomention

Well - if she's running an illegal nursery (which does sound possible from what you say) then someone somewhere would probably like to know she's not meeting some regulations etc.

Am guessing that "someone" might be the local Council?

Could be worth checking that point out - and, if she is doing so, then that would at least stop the noise from children if she was investigated and had to shut it down.

moneyistooshorttomention

Well - if she's running an illegal nursery (which does sound possible from what you say) then someone somewhere would probably like to know she's not meeting some regulations etc.

Am guessing that "someone" might be the local Council?

Could be worth checking that point out - and, if she is doing so, then that would at least stop the noise from children if she was investigated and had to shut it down.

The second point being she's probably breaking some rules from the Housing Association - and they might like to know.

dekaspace

Not sure what to do about the social housing side (its council) because when I told anti social team that pets and laminate is banned in tenancy they pretty much told me even though its banned they can't do much about it.


As we speak heard DIY for past 30 minutes! I know its in legal hours but that was one of her get outs in past she knew the "you can make noise between 7am to 11pm"


Also forgot to say, not to be paranoid but 10 days ago had a friend round who I hadn't seen in 2 weeks and only visitor I had for same 2 weeks, he was talking to me just before 10pm and I heard thumping which was either DIY or something hitting the floorboards, the reason for the paranoia is that each time my friend said something and I said something back I heard the banging/thumping, each time we went silent for a few minutes or more there was no thumping, as soon as we started talking again the thumping started.


It did cause irritation as if it was them complaining then it felt hypocritial, I had no music on, we were watching a tv show calmly, no drink was involved, if it wasn't complaining then they were doing DIY past 10pm at night to midnight!

Norman_Castle

Ask about a transfer. She is obviously a difficult neighbour who after complaints is content to continue and allows her friends to take the !!!!. I've had problem neighbours, as individuals they may change, but when allowing friends to cause problems and annoy you which is fun for them and they have zero consequences. If you choose to stay you will be fighting this for years and at most only get a moderation in the noise and problems. If you are right about them hearing you talking even with sensible behaviour there will be noise problems.

Poorly soundproofed flat combined with a problem tenant who socialises with idiots, just move.

I've been advised to move in the past and always consider it poor advice. Just moving is often not the easiest or best solution but I suspect for you in that flat it will be.