PIp award- assessor lied

poppy12345

Almost-free wrote: »

So would it be two separate letters- one asking why the report bears little resemblance to the f2f and separate request for MR?

No, you just need to write the MR request letter. Any complaints about the assessment report bearing little resemblance to the assessment should be sent to the assessment providers, that part has nothing to do with DWP.


There's some great advice in Alice's post, please re-read that.

Alice_Holt

Almost-free wrote: »

So would it be two separate letters- one asking why the report bears little resemblance to the f2f and separate request for MR? .

I would just concentrate on the MR. Go through my detailed post above (which took me quite a long time to construct), and make your MR as compelling as you can.

I don't feel the suggestion to ask for an explanation of why the report bears little relationship to what actually happened and is therefore totally inaccurate, will help you currently
You want to get the decision overturned asap - the route to go down is a written MR (and possibly your MP's intervention).

If you want to make a complaint about the assessment - the best time is after the decision has been reversed. Then, it's not just your opinion - you have been vindicated by a DWP decision maker or a tribunal judge. That's the time to complain.

Please, don't get sidetracked - concentrate on the MR.

I realise you must be very angry about the assessment - but you need to channel that anger into getting the decision overturned. My post and the links, show you how best to achieve that.

Have you read my post?
Have you followed the links?
Is there anything you don't understand or are not clear on?

I'd also advise a visit to your local CAB re benefits available to you and your son now.
Are you in a UC area:
https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Universal-Credit-Pilot

Hounded_out

I once attended a pip tribunal with a friend who had also been in effect deceived by the assessor. She went from zero to over 20 points. At the end of the hearing i asked the judge and the two lay members, who included a doctor, what can be done about assessors whose reports are either misleading or untrue. Their reaction was that they felt sorry for my friend but did not offer to make a report to the dwp or say ATOS or Capita in order to bring the assessor to account. That does not seem fair. Claimants get sanctioned for all kinds of minor, or sometimes, non- infringements, yet assessors appear to be largely or wholly unaccountable, and get very well paid in return. Apologies for soap box rant, but trust you can appreciate my concern.

Alice_Holt

Hounded_out wrote: »

I once attended a pip tribunal with a friend who had also been in effect deceived by the assessor. She went from zero to over 20 points........

Your friend could have made a complaint herself.
https://www.mypipassessment.co.uk/feedback/

"Should you still be unhappy, we will send you a letter detailing what you can do next !!!8211; this includes information on how to contact the Independent Case Examiner (ICE)...........The ICE will act as an impartial referee and if they think we should have done more to help you, they will ask us to put it right...........You must contact the ICE within 6 months of getting our final response and you must also send them a copy of your original complaint letter or email. You will not be asked to pay them for their services........"

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/independent-case-examiner/about

Hounded_out

Ok thanks. Odd that the tribunal don't refer you to such a service. That said, are most ICE reviews (as I would suspect they are) a whitewash ??

elsien

Hounded_out wrote: »

Ok thanks. Odd that the tribunal don't refer you to such a service.

Why would they? All organisations have complaints procedures and about 30 seconds of googling should find it.

Hounded_out

Please kindly answer the query re whether or not anybody has gone down the ICE route and if so was it a credible review, or a whitewash ??

pmlindyloo

A quick google gives this:

https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2017-10-10/107036/

Alice_Holt

Hounded_out wrote: »

Please kindly answer the query re whether or not anybody has gone down the ICE route and if so was it a credible review, or a whitewash ??

It would seem Hounded out has a bit of history on these forums:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5659177/resigned-constructively-but&page=4#64
In which he appears to have posed an entirely fictitious employment scenario, and then roundly abused any poster who tried to help him.

Here is a comment from a forum guide:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5683491/unison-legal-representation-and-support-for-et-unfair-dismissal-claims#3


Therefore, I would suggest his comments really are best ignored - If forumites don't want unpleasantries directed at them, don't engage with this individual. You will only be wasting your time and effort.

Some sample quotes from forumites on his employment thread:
"No help is actually needed Geoff1963, as the whole scenario is a fabrication."

Geoff1963 replied "A poster on MSE has wasted my time. Can I sue ? "

"I will try to provide constructive advice.
Originally posted by FBaby"
Reply by another forumite - "Sadly you have just wasted your time.
Read my post a couple before yours and you will find that the OP has no employment issue, rather a totally different agenda."

"That really is the crux, the OP appears to enjoy belittling other users like he/she is a headmaster telling off primary school children."


Let's give Hounded out a wide berth.
I would also suggest reporting his unpleasant posts.

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"Posters seeking advice in this forum need to bear in mind that this is a public site on which anyone can post. You can't assume information is trustworthy, indeed some posters are known to disrupt, post disinformation, and tell tall stories.
The MSE forum team do not moderate this forum.

I would caution forumites to be wary of any advice supplied that doesn't contain a link to an authoritative site. Such sites include adviceguide, entitled to, turn2us, revenuebenefits, gov..uk.
Accredited benefit advice is available from local advice agencies such as Citizens Advice.

Please don't take horror stories about the benefit process, assessments, appeals etc at face value. There are posters on here who whose aim seems to be to alarm, frighten, and generally dissuade OP's from pursuing sensible actions to claim / regain the right benefits.

Harmful and misleading posters are easily identified by the reaction to their posts

Hounded_out

Please kindly do not go over old ground Alice. I have in the past apologised and if I upset anybody I did not meant to. I was reacting to what I felt was undue criticism. One of my previous posts was not fictitious - it was largely based on true facts, but i had to protect the party for whom I was seeking answers. As I explained.

Anyhow, thank you for the feedback re the PIP complaints process. Almost 50% upheld, That's promising. Too late for the lady I helped to complain, but helpful for future reference.