New MOT confusion

AdrianC

caveat_emptor wrote: »

Well that's the strange thing. There's no indication that the wiper was changed, I wasn't charged for it.
On the Gov.uk website it says Pass, MOT valid 'til May 2019 and Fail with the reference to the wiper.

Maybe it simply needed a good clean, perhaps some tree needles or debris removed from under it?


The change is nowhere near as hard as people are working themselves up about...
Minor = Advisory (new MOT)
Major = Fail (no new MOT)
Dangerous = Fail with Dangerous flag (no new MOT, do not drive)

[Deleted User]

I think the new MOT is just a way for garages to tout for more repair business.

I don't understand the whole Dangerous - Fail - Pass setup. Surely a fail is dangerous but it can still pass with a fail but not with a dangerous.

AdrianC

Deleted_User wrote: »

I think the new MOT is just a way for garages to tout for more repair business.

Melodrama helps nobody.

I don't understand the whole Dangerous - Fail - Pass setup. Surely a fail is dangerous but it can still pass with a fail but not with a dangerous.

There really is no major change...


Fails could always be flagged as dangerous. The new tester's manual is just a bit more rigid on when they should be.


Minors are just rebadged advisories, with the manual saying when they should be issued, rather than leaving it to the tester's discretion. Discretionary advisories still exist.

[Deleted User]

A dangerous fails also a major fails. It's the same thing is it not.

It's just so garages can categorise things to make things look worse to enable them to rinse peoples wallets easier.

AdrianC

Deleted_User wrote: »

A dangerous fails also a major fails. It's the same thing is it not.

No.
Now:
[Clean] -> Discretionary Advisory -> Minor -> [FAIL] -> Major -> Dangerous
Before last week:
[Clean] -> Discretionary Advisory -> [FAIL] -> Fail -> Fail with dangerous flag

It's just so garages can categorise things to make things look worse to enable them to rinse peoples wallets easier.

No.

Here's the full tester manual. This tells the tester what to test, how to test it, and what the results are.
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/

Let's take something specific. Say, suspension ball joints. Look down this page to 5.3.4, which has all three - minor, major, dangerous.

https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/class3457/Section-5-Axles-Wheels-Tyres-and-Suspension.html#section_5.3

You can see there's very little scope in many areas for "job creation", without actively lying. And you can appeal a test result, remember.

Now here's the broadly same section from the old test...
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m4i00000101.htm (Full manual)

https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m4s02000501.htm (Front suspension)

Mostly, it's just different categorisation. If it meets the "reasons for rejection" column, it's a fail. If not, it's a pass.

almillar

If it's accurate, this looks like a great summary:

Minor = Advisory (new MOT)
Major = Fail (no new MOT)
Dangerous = Fail with Dangerous flag (no new MOT, do not drive)

I don't understand the whole Dangerous - Fail - Pass setup. Surely a fail is dangerous but it can still pass with a fail but not with a dangerous.

Seems simple enough. Being slightly under on tyre tread would be a fail, but not dangerous, certainly not on a dry day. Handbrake below efficiency would be similar. Suspension hanging off or a tear in the tyre would be a 'do not drive'.

Mrs_Arcanum

If you take your car to a government MoT station, bear in mind if the vehicle fails on a do not drive point, you will have to get it transported to the garage for fixing.

AdrianC

Mrs_Arcanum wrote: »

If you take your car to a government MoT station, bear in mind if the vehicle fails on a do not drive point, you will have to get it transported to the garage for fixing.

1. Outside NI (where all tests are done by "government stations"), there is no such thing as a "government station".
2. If it's unroadworthy, it was illegal to drive to the test.
3. There's no way that a garage can prevent you driving a car, no matter how dangerous, away from the test.
4. If you fix the fails, but don't retest, you can continue to drive perfectly legally until your old test expires.


Nothing has changed with any of this.