HELP Please - APCOA PCN for not parking in proper space - Edinburgh Waverley

MED77

Hi All,

I hope you can help = the driver received a PCN from Apcoa in Waverley as they hadn't parked in a proper marked bay. There were no yellow lines or signs indicating they couldn't park - but it is (in very small print) on their signs. Do they appeal using the PCN template after 14 days, or do they need to pay this - technically they weren't in a parking space, but they had been very sore (had been treated at hospital the week prior) and there were no spaces on the top deck. They didn't want to park in a blue badge space, as they don't have one. Can you please advise what to do next - do they just pay it but it's £50 or £85 if it's left...and they had to pay for their parking ticket as usual to get out so it seems a double whammy!

Thanks in advance for your help.

I couldn't see this in the usual thread responses.

Many thanks :-)

fisherjim

You do realise this is a private parking invoice not a real ticket and is a rip off by unscrupulous greedy scammers don't you?


You have been looking in the wrong place, you need to read the newbies thread first with specific reference to Scotland, then come back if you still are unsure.


No you don't pay these scammers.

System

Does it refer to a Penalty or a Parking charge? It should be a penalty under Rail Byelaws (times out after 6 months) but it pays to check.

MED77

Hi both, thank you for your comments. I checked the newbie posts but there wasn't anything for this specific one. It is headed up "Parking Charge Notice". At the very top it states APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd which is who runs all the tickets / payments for the car park. You can't get out without paying for your parking which the driver did, so I'm not sure if we just ignore this, using the appeal template as mentioned on the newbie stream. It will be 14 days on Monday. They do say in the notice, which incidentally has no Parking Attendants details in - this is left blank, that they will contact DVLA for the details. It also mentions POPLA so I'm pretty sure we just ignore this until the so called letter comes via DVLA. Is that correct? Thanks again

System

There are a number of reasons why you need not appeal including

1. It is on Rail property so they can't issue "charges"
2. The signs were not clear so no contract - which they can't offer anyway
3. You are in Scotland so unless you indicate who was driving they are pretty much stuffed.
4. They are not litigious
5. They are a financial basket case so may not survive the 5 years they have in Scotland to take this to court - and lose

pogofish

MED77 wrote: »

It also mentions POPLA so I'm pretty sure I just ignore this until the so called letter comes via DVLA. Is that correct? Thanks again

You might want to bring that to the attention of your local Trading Standards - Because POPLA has no remit to operate in Scotland.

Which means they are trying to mislead/misdirect you and that could be actionable.

MED77

Great thank you! I take it once supposed NTK comes in I just copy and paste template from newbies forum? If they indeed bother sending out the NTK?

KeithP

MED77 wrote: »

Great thank you! I take it once supposed NTK comes in I just copy and paste template from newbies forum

How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion?

Please read again post #5 above.

Also re-read Fisherjims' post:

You have been looking in the wrong place, you need to read the newbies thread first with specific reference to Scotland, then come back if you still are unsure.

Please note "with specific reference to Scotland".

System

As an aside, Waverly Station was the setting for one of the battles in the new Avengers movie.

No sign of any PPC's that day.

Fruitcake

First, edit your posts to remove information about who parked or who was driving. Only ever refer to The Driver and The Keeper, who are two different people.

Once you have done this, you need to go back and read the NEWBIES again since you have missed the very specific information about Scotland, and also you have missed the bit telling you not to give away the driver's identity.

Please post a redacted copy of the PCN so we can see what CRAPCOA have said about PoPLA, as that will result in a complaint to the BPA and DVLA.

Wait until the keeper receives the NTK, before you complain as they may dig their hole deeper by mentioning PoPLA again.

The keeper should also complain to their MP and Sir Greg Knight MP about this unregulated scam.

These are some of the comments made by the MPs in Parliament concerning the unregulated parking industry (Feb 2018):

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-02-02/debates/CC84AF5E-AC6E-4E14-81B1-066E6A892807/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill

''Rip-offs from car park Cowboys must stop''; unfair treatment; signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued; ''years of abuse by rogue parking companies''; bloodsuckers; ''the current system of regulation is hopeless, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank''; extortionate fines; rogue operators; ''sense of injustice''; unfair charges and notices; wilfully misleading; signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead; ''confusing signs are often deliberate, to trap innocent drivers''; unreasonable; a curse; harassing; operating in a disgusting way; appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing; loathed; outrageous scam; dodgy practice; outrageous abuse; unscrupulous practices; ''the British Parking Association is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert''; and finally, by way of unanimous conclusion: ''we need to crack down on these rogue companies. They are an absolute disgrace to this country. Ordinary motorists and ordinary residents should not have to put up with this''.

These are the exact words used, so you should quote them to your MP in a complaint and ask him/her to contact Sir Greg Knight MP if he wants further information about this scam.

Coupon-mad

Why don't people with a rubbish private PCN in Scotland, just search the forum for the word Scotland? No nee for any threads, this is already covered by the NEWBIES thread an any other one you care to read after a forum search for the single keyword:

Scotland

However, despite ignoring the daft PCN, you could waste their time with a nice SAR*. Same advice as here, can't be bothered to type this every time:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5847774/appeal-rejected-highview-parking

HTH



*please Google it