Son been kicked out of hostel, nowhere to go.

elsien

No he doesn't have to actually harm someone. The criteria for S2 are:

The person has a mental disorder, they are unwell enough to need to be in hospital for an assessment, and professionals think they should be in hospital for their own health or safety, or to protect other people.

Are you his nearest relative under the MHA and did you know that if you are you can request an assessment. More information in here.
https://www.rethink.org/resources/n/nearest-relative-factsheet

Sectioning may stabilise his mental health but it won't necessarily detox him. It's not hard to get hold of drugs in MH units and the therapeutic work isn't really available in hospitals, and people need to want to engage with it otherwise they relapse as soon as they leave.

butterfly76

S2 is only assessment. Because he has been on section two which then progressed to a section 3 for treatment they won't section 2 him again because they already have a diagnosis for him and treatment plan which he won't adhere too.

elsien

They can use as assessment section if they think his presentation has changed. Or if he met the criteria they couid take him in on a S3. Have you requested an assessment in writing if you feel he has deteriorated? The treatment plan clearly isn't working.

butterfly76

I think what he needs is a adult placement somewhere out of area. Somewhere that has the time and commitment to help him. My son is a good person despite convictions and mental health and needs help. I think if he moves out of area and away from his dealers he could stand a good chance put in with a stable family without children. I think that way he stands a chance but who would be willing to do such a things because although my son is a good lad on paper he looks bad.

elsien

He would have to agree to it though, and with the risks you've outlined it may well be that he wouldn't be accepted. And it sounds like agreeing to it isn't going to happen at the moment. Is he talking to you at all about what he wants?

marliepanda

If he is not willing to engage with support, and he isn’t of such capacity that help can be forced on him, then he is deemed as having capacity to choose this.

At the end of the day with sex offences (I’m assuming against children because of your comments) dangerous behaviour like drugs and arson it will be difficult, there are places for people who engage with the help but they cannot risk them harm, or relapses to drugs for someone who does not want to be there and improve their life in this way.

You keep saying no one will help and ‘he’s a good lad really’ but unfortunately you, as his mother, see him as too bad to have in your home, so he cannot be ‘that good’ sorry to be harsh but, I see only two ways out of this, he lives with you or you let it get to the point where he either asks for help or is deemed so dangerous to himself they force it on him.

w06

As his closest(?) relative you can ask for a mental health act assessment, with a view to sectioning him again. But the psychiatrist is right of course if they don't consider him a danger to himself or others then he can't legally be detained. And so he has to engage with treatment and with other people trying to help him.

You say he's a good lad, but you yourself won't house him with you nor privately and so hopefully you can understand how hard it is for other people to too, what they see is chaotic lifestyle, street drugs, arson and a sexual offender. Hopefully if you can help him to engage with at least mental health services the parts that are amenable to change will respond to treatment and he'll be in a better place to find a safe place to live.

GlasweJen

He's a good lad but if you got him a private let he'd trash it and turn it into a drug den.

He's a good lad but he won't engage with mental health services.

He's a good lad but he's done time for sex offenses (against children?).

He's a good lad but he's done a bit of arson.

He's a good lad but he's into heavy drugs.

Yes he might have mental health issues that can explain *some* of the above away but there's a line and your son seems to have left it way back there somewhere. You're his mum and you're always going to see the best in him but others will have had their fill of your "good lad" a long time ago, probably when he got done for the sex crimes.

People won't want someone like that in their home wether they have a child or not, what about their neighbours kids? Kids visiting the street, local park, just the stigma of having someone like that in the house is enough to put most decent people off. You hear about these vigilante groups who paint words on front doors of people who just look like people convicted of those sort of crimes. I wouldn't house one. You won't house him so why would a stranger?

And what do you want mental health services to do? Come out every day, pin him down and force feed him his tablets? Put a gag on his mouth and tie his hands behind his back to stop him drinking and preparing drugs? Then he could sue them for assault and going against his wishes. That's not going to happen. Your son has to wake up and decide to engage with services, that's the only way he's going to detox and get better.

MEM62

butterfly76 wrote: »

Why aren!!!8217;t my posts writing properly on here. I!!!8217;m using a iPad.

You just answered your own question :-)